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Season 2 Episode 8: Father Bob Bailey

Season 2 Episode 8: Father Bob Bailey

​Father Robert L. "Bob" Bailey, a retired Roman Catholic priest from Cranston, Rhode Island, has dedicated his life to both pastoral service and the study of the paranormal. He earned a bachelor's degree in education and human development from Rhode...

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​Father Robert L. "Bob" Bailey, a retired Roman Catholic priest from Cranston, Rhode Island, has dedicated his life to both pastoral service and the study of the paranormal. He earned a bachelor's degree in education and human development from Rhode Island College and pursued theological studies at Our Lady of Providence Seminary in Warwick, Rhode Island. He furthered his education at Mount St. Mary's Seminary in Emmitsburg, Maryland, where he obtained a Master of Divinity degree. Ordained in 1993, Father Bailey served in various parishes, including St. Mark in Cranston, St. Brendan in Riverside, St. Elizabeth in Bristol, and St. Philip in Greenville. He was appointed pastor of St. Maria Goretti Parish in Pawtucket for six years before being installed as pastor of Holy Cross Church in Providence by Bishop Thomas J. Tobin on September 14, 2013. He retired from active ministry in October 2020 due to health reasons.

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Recording and progress.

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What's up, everybody? This is another edition to Bulldog Uncensored,

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a really special episode tonight. You know, you guys have

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seen my show a few times, and usually I bring

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like a musical colleague of mind or you know, a

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comic or you know, We've had all kinds of different

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people on here, professional wrestlers, but you know, all the above.

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But tonight We're gonna be tapping into something that I've

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never really discussed publicly before as far as like what

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my beliefs are in the paranormal and that kind of thing.

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And today we have a man that is more than

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an expert on this, uh, father Bob Bailey. I like you,

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Bob Good. Well then we'll get along just fine. Oh boy?

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So yeah, I mean, you know, I've gone through a

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couple of different movies and a few different books I've

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read about exorcisms and whatnot over the years, and the

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subject has always fascinated me. What led you to actually

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going to sem seminary?

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Rather?

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Oh?

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I actually credited my mother's They were devout and their

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witness of their faith really, uh really touched me. And

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but I also my mother's cousin was a priest and

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on every Tuesday, he would come to my grandparents' house

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next door have supper with them. Then he used to

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sit out and ocus cigar and I would join him

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just for conversation. We would speak a few hours. It

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was like every Tuesday, and I credit him for my

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knowledge of the faith, and I would ask him zillions

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of questions. And then I had I began a desire

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for wanting to be a priest, you know. And I

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loved to pray, and I play priest. I take my

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mother's little missile hand missile and pretend to you, even

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with the Latin. My cousin used to joke with my

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mother he knows Latin more than more priests. And that

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just cultivated that, and by the time I got to

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junior high school, it was solidified that that that's where

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I was going to head. So I went to a

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Catholic high school they call it preparatory seminary at the time,

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and began my pursuit of that seriously.

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So before all of that, what was your childhood like?

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Was that something that you thought about a lot or contemplating.

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Yeah, I honestly, I can't remember a time when they

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didn't want to be although when I was younger, I

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could say I was horrible in church. I was hyperactive,

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and boy would I get a belt after after I

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got home because I was so rambunctious. And I remember

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a certain time that I was like, oh, I don't

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want to go to church because I know that means

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I'm gonna have to take a bath before we go

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to maths. So I never liked going. And God got

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the best joke out of it. He said, oh, yeah,

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I'm going to make your a priest. So but you know,

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it was we had a very close knit family and

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the faith was practiced and many times we would go

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to you know shrines and stuff. You know, I would

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want to go, parents would take me. We had with

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the Italian side of the family, we had feasts, uh

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and you know, people over the house you know, to

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celebrate that of course with food and you know outings

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and so it was very much a part of our life.

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Is that wasn't something we ever questioned, and it wasn't

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something I ever felt I rebelled from because it was

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just was a part of me, you know, part of

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us our identity as a family. So but it was positive.

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It wasn't anything that was forced on me. It wasn't

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anything that was a harsh thing. It was something I embraced.

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It was something positive.

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No, it's really neat. You know. I suppose when you're

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growing up at that point, weathers a rock, most is

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going to have the you know, the biggest influence, and

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it seemed like that was definitely the case with you.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, so obviously you know, getting in to becoming a

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priest and all that kind of stuff. Like was your

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states always strong from the beginning or was it something

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that you even struggle with today.

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No, it was always strong, even as a child. In fact,

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my friends used to like I used to bring them

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to church and you know, I used to talk to

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them about prayer and I would you know, and stuff,

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even to the point where some of them just kind

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of rolled their eyes back. I can remember saying, oh,

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here it goes again. But it was something I felt

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passionate about. So I I never went the rebellious to

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a lot of people did. But for some reason I didn't.

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And maybe it's because, like I never felt forced to go.

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We just went. I didn't question it. You know, I'm

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sure my parents would have forced you know, would have

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told me you're going to Mass with us. But it

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wasn't anything I questioned. It was just part of our

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family values. We would go to Mass and then would

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go to McDonald's after so, or on a Sunday morning,

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we would go to ihop, you know, and the two

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just went together, and you know, and then seeing everybody,

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you know, back then, you know, most people, even young

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people you know, were going so, you know, especially in

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my neighborhood. I lived on the street where we called

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everybody aren't and uncle because they were either relatives of

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mine or they were from the same locale as my

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grandparents in Italy, so everybody was aunt an uncle you know.

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As kids, we were close. And you know, so back

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then the cultures supported your values not so much, not

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so much today, but back then it did. So it

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made it kind of easy, you know, to go the

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way I went.

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Yeah, I suppose it wasn't you know, taboo or anything

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like that.

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No, that's why I get a lot older, but maybe high.

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School, gotcha. Yeah, that makes private sense. So I mean

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me personally, I was baptized Catholic. I went through you know,

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community and whatnot, and I wasn't able to go through

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the CCPG because the parish. Unfortunately at the time, wasn't

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wheelchair accessible. Oh yeah, And I mean that that was

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common in the early nineties, So I mean it wasn't.

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Completely come a long way now, but back then I

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could see where it wouldn't be easy.

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Yeah. So I mean I did my fair share of

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investigation of it. And you know, I had a grandmother

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that was a very developed Catholic. She went to Mass

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almost every week, you know, by any health issues, and

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I can honestly say, like, it wasn't that I questioned

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the idea of a higher power. I think it was

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actually humans that drove me away from the church personally.

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Do you see that as a common issue.

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Yeah, I think most people that have an issue, it's

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because they've had a bad experience with a person, whether

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the person representing the church, whether it was a priest

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or a nun or you know, people around them or

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a parent you know that was very harsh, and so

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that would identify the religious practice with the harshness of

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the parents or the harshness of whoever. Yeah. And but

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for myself, because maybe I was trained at such a

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young age with my mother's cousin, and you know, I

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shot every question imaginable to him, and he answered them that,

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you know, I saw the humanness in the church and

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even with the faith, and and that made me upset.

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But my faith was stronger than the human being, and

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I looked beyond that and I said, no, I believe

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in the faith. I'm just not crazy with the one

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who's representing it, you know. So I think that's what

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saved me. But I know a lot of others who

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you know, maybe weren't at the same place that I

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was at, on the same level, and you know, it

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was what they saw scandalized them or or upset them,

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and so they flew the baby out with the bath water,

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you know. Some came back afterwards in their adulthood, you know.

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I mean I kind of look at faith's particularly under

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that umbrella of becausolism and whatnot. As you know, it's

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it's one of those things that as you get older

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and you learn more, you study more history, you know,

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it's kind of human condition to question it. So I think,

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you know, it's a lifelong and struggle for someone else.

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Oh yeah, And there's nothing wrong with that searching, questioning,

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you know. I'm sure I did some of that too,

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you know, But you know, some question more than ever,

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and it was a search and it led them down

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a different journey than I did. But but many of them,

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at the end of that journey, you know, in their adulthood,

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began to see beyond some of their objections into the

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faith itself and we'll come back. Especially when they had

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families of their own. You know, now they have to

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answering questions about God and faith their children. So it's like, oh,

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you know, I'd better get back and understand my faith

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a little bit more, you know, because you know, kids

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asked the Dondas questions right.

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Right, so you know, beyond that not working out for me,

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we ended up going to a Protestant church for remember

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of years. That was my father's church in town here,

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and you know, a lot of good people learned a lot.

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I got confirmed, And honestly, Father, I don't really know

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what shifted in me, Like I said, I think it

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might have been more of the human aspect and the

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disappointment and people rather than the idea of beyond that.

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But I always have had some sort of no be

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called sixth sense, but a calling to as say before,

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like you know, a little good versus evil right down

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to the bare bones of it. And I feel like,

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you know, as we're going to look through the Catholic glasses,

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so to speak, you know, a lot of people will

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be like, I'm surprised they're not mad at God for

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putting you in a predicament medically the way you have been,

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because I've suffered hundreds of fractures and lots of surgeries

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and pain and all kinds of it. Not fun stuff, sure,

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but I'd never once blamed God.

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I felt like, and that's amazing.

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Yeah, I mean, I I can't even really stay where

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I stand as far as what my religious beliefs are

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at this point, but regardless, having intuition and discernment is

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something that in greator gives regardless, and I've always kind

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of felt like a strong draw to that. So I

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studied a little bit of demonology, not much. I took

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a lot of Bible classes in high school, and just

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the whole paradox of it all fascinated me throughout my team.

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Then it became okay, the struggle of you know, living

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in the world, living and trying to understand the concept

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of sin and things like that, Like it's it's really

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hard to decipher all that. So did you ever feel

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like you were ever doing point by anything er exetically

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or otherwise from pulled away from like seeing how maybe

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I shouldn't be doing it. This is a little right singer.

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Has it always been pretty sure in your mind?

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Are you talking about the paranormal now.

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Paranormal and more so just being megn Cloth?

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No I, I would say, I haven't had with with

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with my vocation. No I. I mean I struggled with

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you know, the imperfections of of of human beings, you know,

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whether that be an authority or witness of others. But no,

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no I, I I cherished. I've always cherished my presood.

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Sometimes it's been difficult, particularly with things that have happened

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over the years, with scandals and all that. It made

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it tough, very tough for us H priests who were

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in the field because we had to suffer because of

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the sins of a few. So yeah, that those were

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very tumultuous years. But I got to say the people

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for the most part, still loved their priests and it

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was still respectful, even non believers, so that that helped.

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As far as the paranormal, yeah, there were I had

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to walk away, you know, because of just certain circumstances,

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and when you're dealing with the part of the paranormal

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that I'm dealing with, which is specialized in negative, in

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dark and demonic, Yeah, sometimes you have to walk away

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for a little while, well, you know, and regroup. So yeah,

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and I tried to not long ago. I just I

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tried to walk away from it for the longest time,

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and they kept calling me back until now where we

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have now a beautiful apostle and network that's growing thanks

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to another priest's body of mine who's joined forces with

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me and and a lot of other good people in

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the paranormal, you know. So, but yeah, there are times

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when when you and I think most people that are

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seasoned in this will probably tell you the same thing.

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Sometimes you have to walk away for a while. It's

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too intense. The warfare sometimes is you know, it is

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formidable and exhausting. And you know that's why I watched

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horram I love Halloween. I love How how can you

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do that? A do you like Halloween and all that? Well,

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because I know fiction from nonfiction. I love vampire stories,

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you know, I love good versus evil and all of that,

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and because I know that's not real but it's comic,

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kind of not comic, but it's it's just something that

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my life, you know, and I always.

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Have well, and I think, you know, regardless, I think

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some people don't realize that, you know, just because you're

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in being in a priest or doesn't mean you have

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you know, these normal hobbies or interests sort of how

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do you like the rest of us. I think they

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all kind of assume that, you know, just you going

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through Second Currinthians all day and.

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I'm praying if that's it. Yeah, No, I love doing genealogy.

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love historical things, you know, like the Civil War, the

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Revolutionary War, you know, anything like historical like that. You know,

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when I went to Rome, you know, I love to

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see the ruins and you know, and study the ancient Romans.

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So yeah, yeah, we we have a life. Also, you know,

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we're not just ethereal up there and you know, always

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in a cloud, that we're normal human beings.

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go through that process, did you immediately want to go

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the their normal route or was that just kind of

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like an instinctual calling for you.

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it was a process. I was just it is a

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process because I always because my cousin also taught me.

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He was, you know, an old time Italian Catholic priest,

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and so he would tell He taught me about visions, apparitions,

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spiritual warfare, the reality of evil and the devil. So

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I knew that at a young age and it stuck

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with me and saints, you know, especially those who struggle

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with the enemy, and I always felt deep down that

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I wanted to be a priest also to be able

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to take people out of the realm of darkness, you know.

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but definitely since my junior high school days, that that

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was something I wanted to do. I was never involved

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in the paranormal, because none of my friends were. But

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I was with apparitions and visions like fathoma on lords

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and mediagoria, eucharistic miracles, you know, miracles of the saints

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and all of that, and so what people don't understand

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is that's Catholic paranormal, right, you know, the shroud of turin,

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the Tomb of Old. Look, that's paranormal. So it wasn't

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to me a great leap of faith to go from

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that into believing in the spirit world and the paranormal,

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because I always had a belief in there was something

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beyond us, beyond this reality. However, you know, I knew

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once I went into the priesthood, because that was kind

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of like you know, it was a growth and maturity

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about that whole desire for fighting evil. You know, that

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was going to be the next Saint Michael. But I

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will tell you one experience that I had when I

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knew that this was the way to go, besides the

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fact of getting involved in a case. Once I got

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involved in a case, a local case, I knew this

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is what I want to do. But I was with

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a group in Italy and we had going to this.

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was a saint who fought the end of me. He

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was an amazing a saint who could read minds. He

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had the wounds of Christ. Well near there was a

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cave Monte Gagano where Saint Michael appeared, uh, and so

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we went there and I had an amazing experience there.

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And while I was praying in one of the side chapels,

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I saw a vision. And in the vision that I

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had in my minds, I saw Saint Michael with his

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great sword, and at one point he knighted me. You

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know how they have the night you tap on the

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head on the show. He was knighting me, and then

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right after that he took his sword and he handed

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it to me. That's where I knew that he that

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this is where I should be headed. It was amazing.

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your mind like that.

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very real vision, you know, very real. I mean for

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me to even remember it now with my memory. That's

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how I know when something's from God and not because

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I have no recollection dreams and all that stuff, you know,

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after a while, but the dreams that do stay with me,

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I know that that it's it's something more important. And

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so at that point, that's where I started. In the beginning,

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when I had a group it was PWSM, the Presidium

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Warriors of Saint Michael, and you know, we were doing

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some great things, always local. We had a little show

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confronting the darkness. My partner Rob at the time, who

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was originally an investigator, then he wanted to come in

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and do the doc stuff. He felt the calling to

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assist me, and so we did that. We had some

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great years of helping people, and then he and his

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family moved to the Carolina is so that kind of

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sort of ended it. For a while. I would do

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things here and there. But just this last year into

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twenty twenty five, when I joined forces with another priest

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on the West coast. He's an Eastern Orthodox priest for

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the Cantoris, I had the vision of beginning what I

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call an apostolate and it was the Holy Sword Apostolate,

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and I named it after the Holy Sword from that

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vision that I had. And thanks to his ingenuity. He's

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a go gether and he came with a lot of

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you know, with a lot of people behind him. And

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the ministry is growing and blossoping in areas. So I

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can't wait to see what the Lord is going to do.

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We have some great people that have joined with us

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who have been in the paranormal for years, so not

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only do. We have a clergy network that's growing, but

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we also have assessors. We have people who are psych

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in psychy, have a psychology background. We have people who

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are sensitive, gifted people, you know, medical so you know,

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so it's growing to be a really holistic kind of

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thing because not every case that they claim to be

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paranormal is paranormal. Sometimes it's the person that has emotional

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issues that need to be dealt with first or instead,

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and we have to tell them. So. Yeah, So now,

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right now, it's amazing the journey that we're being led.

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And I don't know if you've heard of Joe Frankie. Yeah, yeah,

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he's now began the war In Society to continue the legacy. Now,

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he would be a great one to have on your show. Yeah,

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I'll give you the information. He would be more than

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happy to come on. He's known that, you know, he

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knew since he was young the Warrens and worked with them,

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was tutored under them. Well, he's part of our group.

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Ken and I are part of his new group that

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he started, the society, uh so and some of those people.

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So we're kind of working both together. Uh And it's

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it's amazing, it's amazing. With the Lord, and some gifted

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people sensitives, you know, who have the gift is sensitive

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and discernment of spirits and you know, the gift of knowledge,

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you know. Uh, you know, people call them mediums, and

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you know, I don't like to use that word because

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it's overused. Everybody and their brother claiming to be a medium.

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But I won't go there. But but there are some

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real gifted people out there.

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It's funny you mentioned the mediums because I've had a

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few experiences with that, and some of my Catholic friends

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have been, you know, very standoffish about it and saying that,

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you know, that's the work of the devil and those

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kind of things. What do you say to that.

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Well, I think in the classic, you know, in the

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Biblical times with the medium were yeah, because they were

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working and conjuring, not from God but from whatever else

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is out there, and for telling the future. And that's

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one thing that's a no no that that God doesn't

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do that he gives us knowledge as if but you know,

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just to start talking about those kind of things, no,

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I mean, but if they if they can sense and

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see things that we don't see, and loved ones who

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might have been around who might be around us. You

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know that in the Catholic faith we have the community

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of Saints, you know, And so once I loved ones

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they are in heaven, they can also be around us

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at the same time, because there's no time or space.

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We're spirit, we're not body anymore. So, but I don't

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like to use those words because they are confusing, you know.

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Like Lorraine Warren said, well, you know, she's a psychic

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median and I said why, but how does that fit

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without faith? And she said, no, it's really discernment of spirits.

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But in the paranormal world it's called medium and clave

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oar and all of that, clairvoy and Claire audio and

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paths and all that. But some of these, if they're

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used in the right way, are gifts of the spirit,

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our gifts of God to be used for the people,

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you know. And and again, like sometimes when I pray

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for healing over people, I'll get a word of knowledge

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and I'll just say, this is what I feel that

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the Lord's saying. I have no idea what it means,

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but just sit with it. And you know a lot

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of times I'll say yeah, I know, yeah it makes sense,

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or they'll take it home and ponder. That's the gift

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of knowledge, you know, of the word of a word.

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Other people like can can sense evil spirits around, so

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that they were all it's all semantics. That's the issue,

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is semantics. And and I think also because so many

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people claim to be mediums that you know, everybody's a medium,

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everybody's a psychic, everybody is ordained a minister. Yeah online,

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you know, going through a course. I went nine years

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of study from my vocation. So anyways, but yeah, I

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can understand that because it is prohibited in the Bible,

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but they use this is an important thing in the

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Old Testament with the Witch of Endor when she was

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when she was conjuring up Solomon, Oh, that's forbidden conjuring

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up right, because you know that's not the way it is.

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When and they'll say, well, you're conjuring when you go

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and see spirits in the house, or go, no, we're not.

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I'm not conjuring. I'm trying to figure out what's in there,

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if there's something in there. And so I commanded the

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name of the Lord, make yourself.

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Known, you know.

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And you know, but people who don't know the right

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way of you know, And I always get in trouble

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when I say in Luigi, boards and seances are a

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no no, and they are a no no because they

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can open doors, and especially people don't understand them. They

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don't know how the use them the right way, and

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they're playing around with fire and then things come through

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and it's hard to shut those portals, to find them

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and shut them once these things come through.

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Right, So, when somebody in my position kind of struggling

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with faith and you know, I've always found revelation to

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be interesting and whatnot, what should I try to avoid,

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like to not an encounter that kind of thing?

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Now, do you do paranormal investigation?

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No, I've had some para normal experiences.

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Okay, okay, well no, If you have a prayer life,

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you know, reading scripture, having a prayer life, that's an

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important thing. Make sure you pray, make sure you know

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ask for the protection. You know. As Christians, we know

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we have guardian angels. And there's a prayer that I

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was taught as a child, and then you might have

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heard of an angel of God, my guardian dear to

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whom God's love commits me here ever this day be

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at my side, to light, to God, to rule, to God,

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that's a child's prayer. I still say it today twice,

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once in the morning, once before I go to bed,

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because we have guardian angels to protect us and to

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guide us, and they're important, they're under used, They're a gift.

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So I would just have a life of you know,

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try to have a life of faith, you know, and

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practice of faith and have personal prayer and then you

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don't have to worry about anything.

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So you're journey into the paranormal end of your career.

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What was the most like unsettling situation you found yourself then?

464
00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:05.920
You mean, like when I've gone into a case, right, Okay.

465
00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:10.440
I think the one that was very formidable for me

466
00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:16.240
was a case that I worked on when we had PWSM.

467
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:19.599
We went to a place in Massachusetts, a convenience store.

468
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:22.880
They had some activity there, so they called us. So

469
00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:29.200
I went with my assistant, my partner, and with an

470
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.279
investigative team to help us with texts and all that,

471
00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:35.680
you know special yeah, you know, And so we went

472
00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:39.039
in there and I started to provoke to see if

473
00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:43.759
there was something there, and things began to happen. My friend,

474
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:49.400
who's empathic, my partner was really getting overcome. I mean,

475
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:52.240
you could see it. He was getting disoriented and all,

476
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:55.720
so I had to pray over him, you know, for protection.

477
00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:58.799
Then he came out of it. And another time, as

478
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:01.039
we were going through, one of the text who was

479
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:08.960
filming actually got bit and we looked at his arm

480
00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:11.599
and he could see it was like a snake or

481
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:16.720
something bit him, and you know, and and things like that,

482
00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:20.920
and then something knocked down that really should have been

483
00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:24.640
knocked down because nobody was near there. So we had

484
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:27.000
those kind of things, and we did the deliverance and

485
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:31.960
and things seemingly got better for the house, for the

486
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:36.799
for the convenience store. However, what we didn't realize till

487
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:39.400
after we got home was that something came home with

488
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:44.319
my partner and followed him, and it was a seducing

489
00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:50.000
spirit demon and it began weaving havoc in the house

490
00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:55.119
with his light. He couldn't sleep in so because he's

491
00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:58.000
a seasoned investigator, he knew what to do. So he

492
00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:04.079
had himself, you know, he put the camera up while

493
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:07.680
he was sleeping. You could see him thrashing around. And

494
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:10.320
then another time when he was sleeping, you saw a

495
00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:13.920
candlestick move on its own from one side of the

496
00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:19.880
night table to the other. When I was doing the deliverance,

497
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:24.360
we had tech guys there, and all of a sudden,

498
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:27.719
as we're doing them, one of the tech guys that

499
00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:31.320
scratched and so when we lifted up his shirt you

500
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:36.639
could see the marks, and I believe that it was

501
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:42.920
three of them, and he was spooped with that. And

502
00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:46.800
for me, it was disturbing because now this is my

503
00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:50.119
friend and his family, so it was a personal thing

504
00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:53.320
for me. And it took a few times, but finally

505
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:55.679
we got it out because I said, you're going to

506
00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:59.480
use your personal power, and because it was a seducing

507
00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:04.280
spirit demon, I told the wife, you have to say,

508
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:07.679
this is my husband, keep away from him. You cannot do,

509
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:13.920
you know. And it worked. And then things we even had.

510
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:18.119
Are you familiar with the siren? It's it's a demon

511
00:35:18.159 --> 00:35:20.960
that cries out. We heard he heard that in the

512
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:23.559
middle of the night. He was able to catch capture that.

513
00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:24.920
Wow.

514
00:35:26.119 --> 00:35:29.679
Uh. The good news is the Haunted, which was on

515
00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:35.719
Animal Planet, picked up our story and did an episode

516
00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:39.039
on it, so you can actually you can watch it

517
00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:41.159
and all that evidence is on there.

518
00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:43.760
OKID, I'll definitely go and check that out.

519
00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:50.760
Yeah, it's haunted. It's called the demonic seduction. Interesting, the

520
00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:56.800
demonic seduction. Yeah, and that was the most formidable and

521
00:35:56.800 --> 00:36:01.880
in the most nerving. I mean, I when I was

522
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:05.840
in a rectory serving when I first started doing this

523
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:10.440
kind of paranormal stuff and beginning get a group together,

524
00:36:11.440 --> 00:36:14.760
there was stuff in the rectory and I ended up

525
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:17.679
having we caught some evidence. I wish I still had it.

526
00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:22.440
I don't, I'm frank, couldn't find it. But I finally

527
00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:25.679
ended up getting a priest from Africa who was coming in,

528
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:28.599
a very holy priest, and asked him to do an

529
00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:32.079
exorcism over the house, which he did, and he was

530
00:36:32.119 --> 00:36:35.000
able to tell me that there were witches who were

531
00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:42.199
cursing me, and he got that out and within time

532
00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:45.000
it left. I think the last thing was I was

533
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:47.920
alone in the back room where my office was, and

534
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:51.000
I heard noise again and I just said, you're not

535
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:55.880
scaring me, not at all, so you might as well stop.

536
00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:59.440
And it did and I never heard anything again.

537
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:02.480
So people in a lot.

538
00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:07.760
No, no, my personal life, you mean, yeah, no, not

539
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:11.960
like that, not like that. No, No, but I.

540
00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:15.639
Have heard stories of you know, men that have been

541
00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:20.239
etcrisis or whatnot and been kind of not attacked per se,

542
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:27.599
but oh yeah, followed and you know, yes, the guy downstairs.

543
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:32.079
Yeah, no, I have had spiritual warfare where things have

544
00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:35.719
just happened in the house and and you know that

545
00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:38.920
it's it's warfare because it's not anything like you know,

546
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:42.599
the devil who's out there with a pitchfork and horns

547
00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:46.400
and comes up, but just a series of events like

548
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:48.760
natural events. But they're all happening to you.

549
00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:49.679
Like.

550
00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:54.480
I can laugh about this now. But we were supposed

551
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:57.119
to go and I was supposed to give a talk. Uh,

552
00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:01.599
and we were leaving for New Jersey. And I have

553
00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:05.079
an artificial eye, so I took my eye out to

554
00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:08.199
wash it. Now, when I was taking it out of

555
00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:11.320
the cup and the solution, it slipped on my fingers

556
00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:14.039
and started rolling on the sink, and I forgot that

557
00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:19.960
the stopper wasn't there, because I went right down the

558
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:25.559
freaking pipe went. Oh. And it's like one or two

559
00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:28.840
in the morning, and I'm going, what am I going

560
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:30.960
to do? I Am not going to New Jersey and

561
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:35.360
giving a talk with one eye missing, so I said, thankfully.

562
00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:38.079
I called. After a while my meeting this guy who's

563
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:41.760
a saint and a good friend came about two thirty

564
00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:44.519
and I said, he can I do it in the morning.

565
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:46.639
I said, well, there's the morning and we're leaving for

566
00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:51.119
New Jersey. Came and he went into the sink and

567
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:53.199
was able to retrieve it. He said, I think you

568
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:57.440
better washed this. But that was you know, that clearly

569
00:38:57.559 --> 00:38:58.639
was an attack.

570
00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:00.880
I had.

571
00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:07.400
Oh what was the other thing that that I lost?

572
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:14.880
Oh gosh, I'll think of it as we're talking. But

573
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:19.280
it just happened recently. Sometimes my mind I get senior writers,

574
00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:25.320
but I think, yeah, yeah, but it could have been

575
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:30.039
something very formidable and it ended up being okay. But

576
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:37.559
these little things, a little setbacks that you know that

577
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:41.960
the enemy just lets you know that, you know, not

578
00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:44.719
taking away. I ended up in the hospital because of

579
00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:49.440
almost poisoning. My friend had moonshine that he made me,

580
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:54.760
and I wasn't used to moonshine, you know, and I

581
00:39:54.760 --> 00:39:57.760
I'm Irish and Italian, so you know I have I

582
00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:01.920
like my my Bacadian diets. Well you can't drink moonshine

583
00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:05.480
like you drink that. Well, I didn't know that and

584
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:08.559
I was so bad. I guess I collapsed. I don't

585
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:11.039
remember anybody. I ended I woke up in the hospital

586
00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:16.119
and my ethanol level was so high. My friend was

587
00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:17.920
a nurse, said, do you know you could have died,

588
00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:21.719
You could have dept poisoning, And I went I and

589
00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:25.519
they couldn't understand it, my friends, because my sugar level,

590
00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:30.159
because I'm diabetic, didn't go up that high. And my

591
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:32.760
my doctor told me who I was just with, Well,

592
00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:38.000
there's no cabs in that in the moonshine. So I said, okay,

593
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:41.960
that makes sense then, but again that was right after

594
00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:44.719
the night I did a deliverance. It was at your

595
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:46.039
friend Patrick's house.

596
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:51.679
No kidding, I was, okay, oh yeah. Again, today's episode

597
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:54.440
is bread to you by Boiling Guitars cut out to

598
00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:57.320
Pat they got us connected in general.

599
00:40:58.280 --> 00:41:03.480
Yes, boiling guitars. He is amazing, uh yeah. And and

600
00:41:03.519 --> 00:41:06.920
so that was another personal thing because he was a friend,

601
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:11.920
right and so when it uh his girlfriend's son was attacked,

602
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:15.920
and so I was able to do it, and I

603
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:18.639
was able to guide them on how to protect the

604
00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:21.760
land and all that. And to this day, you know,

605
00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:25.039
the evil isn't there anymore. So but I.

606
00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:28.199
Definite blind to it.

607
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:32.559
Oh yeah, yeah, because it's interesting so close to the

608
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:33.360
Conjuring House.

609
00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:35.719
Yeah, so tell us about that. Do you have any

610
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:36.519
involvement with that?

611
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:42.639
No? I never was in the Conjuring House. You know,

612
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:47.519
I knew Loraine Warren who was who was? But no,

613
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:51.199
And by the time I feel I felt like, you

614
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:53.320
know what, I live in Rhode Island. So I had

615
00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:56.519
a friend of mine taken me to some reputable haunts,

616
00:41:56.559 --> 00:41:59.159
you know, notable haunts in Rhode Islands, just to take

617
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:01.760
a picture there to say I was there. So some

618
00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:05.760
cemeteries and all of that, and I wanted to take

619
00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:08.639
a picture of the Conjuring House. But then you know

620
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:11.599
the crazy owner, you know all of that. If you

621
00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:16.840
follow it on YouTube, it's a nightmare. So people that

622
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:19.880
I respect in the paranormal field were very much hurt

623
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:23.559
and quit. So I said, well, it's kind of almost

624
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:25.760
like it felt like I'd be crossing the picket line

625
00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:29.400
if I went there. So I said, no, I'm not going.

626
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:31.639
I'm not going to do that. I'll wait till after

627
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:33.280
it all gets it. So I have not been to

628
00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:39.159
the Conjuring House yet. Maybe when someone else, you know,

629
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:42.760
when someone else you know owns it, you know, hopefully

630
00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:45.800
I'll be able to do that. You know, with Patrick

631
00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:49.679
just to say been there because it's so notable. However,

632
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:53.599
I'm going to say this on behalf of Patrick. His

633
00:42:53.760 --> 00:43:01.119
family was the original owners his you know, he's descended ancestors.

634
00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:04.400
There's a lot of history to that house beyond the

635
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:10.920
Conjuring's an amazing homestead and that gets forgotten because of

636
00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:12.760
the conjuring. And a lot of the stuff in the

637
00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:16.519
conjuring house that you saw in the movie was beloney yea.

638
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:19.800
And Lorraine will tell you. Loraine will tell you that

639
00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:21.960
they just took it lot. Like that woman who hung

640
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:25.079
her stuff. She didn't hang herself. She wasn't a witch.

641
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:29.519
She was an upstanding Yeah that's she. But she wasn't

642
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:32.119
she was buried on consecrated ground. She was a witch.

643
00:43:32.119 --> 00:43:39.119
She would not be buried on consecrated ground. So but yeah,

644
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:43.440
so that was the most dramatic case I have. We've

645
00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:46.559
had some other cases, but they ended up being with

646
00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:51.599
a person really needs some psychological help more than you know,

647
00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:55.519
more than spiritual, and that's tough to tell them.

648
00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:59.360
Oh yeah, I mean, you know, it's it's definitely tough

649
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:02.440
to desert. I mean, I've got yeah, members that have

650
00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:06.760
struggled with mental health and my wife he's got anxiety

651
00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:12.079
and whatnot. But yeah, sometimes I wonder, you know, the

652
00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:16.079
way she gets into certain moods like are we dealing

653
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:19.519
with something more here? Or am I just you know?

654
00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:22.679
Yeah, I will say this. Sometimes they go hand in hand.

655
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:29.880
Sometimes the demonic will also hide with mental illness, right,

656
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:33.800
And that's why we're holistic. As Catholics who are holistic,

657
00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:35.280
we don't just go in and say that one it's

658
00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:38.599
dema possessed, it's gonna be an exorcism. No, no, no, no, no,

659
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:43.519
we can't do it just that willy nilly. There has

660
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:47.920
to be a psychological exam and a physical exam and

661
00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:52.320
well that's exhausted and there's no explanation, then you go

662
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:55.679
for the spiritual and then but there also might be

663
00:44:55.760 --> 00:45:00.400
some spiritual also there. So I tell people this is

664
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:04.760
a two pronged process. You need to get some emotional

665
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:09.239
help and counseling for whatever you're going through, uh, and

666
00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:14.639
then we will pray with you also. But sometimes it's

667
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:20.639
just psychological. It's it's paranoia, it's you know, delusional stuff,

668
00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:25.639
and you know, and you can tell when they say, like, oh,

669
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:28.639
my family is upset with me, and they won't talk

670
00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:32.199
with me, and it's everybody else's fault but the person.

671
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:36.679
And so you know, right, there's a red flags too.

672
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:42.639
Yeah, it always kind of made me wonder, like I've

673
00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:45.800
seen certain things in life that make you go was

674
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:49.519
that when I think it was, oh sure thinking about it,

675
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:55.519
you know, sure sure, And and don't forget, the amount of possession.

676
00:45:55.280 --> 00:46:01.360
Is rare, rarer. I won't say it's it's a little

677
00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:04.840
more prevalent now. But when these people call themselves exiorcists,

678
00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:07.159
don't even get me started. Because if they saw a

679
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:11.639
real demonic possession, like the heavy hitters like father Corlos,

680
00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:16.039
Martin's father, Gabriel More, you know, Father Chad Ruppenjo, when

681
00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:20.800
they deal with a demon, it's formidable, it's dangerous. That's

682
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:24.320
why we can't As a priest, I can't do an exorcism.

683
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:26.639
I have the power to do it, I can't do

684
00:46:26.679 --> 00:46:29.679
it without the bishop's permission. I need his blessing because

685
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:33.400
the bishop has the fullness of the priesthood and I

686
00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:37.400
have to fit their criterion for being able to handle something.

687
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:41.960
If not, you know, it's dangerous, it's dangerous, it's dangerous

688
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:45.000
for the victim, and it's dangerous for the priests and

689
00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:50.639
anybody involved. So what I think most people guys supposed

690
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:55.039
to quote exorcists unquote undoing, are really people who are oppressed,

691
00:46:56.840 --> 00:47:02.320
you know, are attacked from the outside, you know, or obsessed,

692
00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:06.280
you know, And there is that type of there's a

693
00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:09.360
lot of that stuff. And people who have dabbled in

694
00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:15.760
in occultic practices or divination that that you know, they

695
00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:20.719
attracted some, you know, but most of the stuff that

696
00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:26.000
I deal with our houses, homes or places that are invested.

697
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:31.559
Usually more like poulder guys type activity.

698
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:38.840
Sometimes yes, yes, or on the land that's been on

699
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:43.519
the land for many years. You know, where are you located.

700
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:46.920
I'm actually in Stirling as the town.

701
00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:49.760
Okay. So you're in Massachusetts, okay, So in New England.

702
00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:55.519
I mean there are Native American presents everywhere. So a

703
00:47:55.559 --> 00:47:58.960
lot of these haunted places are also on tribal lands,

704
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:03.639
so there could be some of that stuff. I have

705
00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:06.880
a good friend of mine who's a shaman, so sometimes

706
00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:09.960
I'll you know, I feel good about being in the

707
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:15.239
apostle now having them, you know, represented there, because when

708
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:19.679
I can't discern what's going on, it could possibly be

709
00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:23.320
something on the land back from the Native Americans, right,

710
00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:31.480
And you know, I was wandering with the conjuring house.

711
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:34.599
There is a story being told that it was told

712
00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:40.119
that there were Native Americans who were who were killed

713
00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:46.000
by you know, by the Americans and buried in a

714
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:51.519
wall there, and that quite possibly the Native Americans could

715
00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:55.920
have put a curse on those people and they have families,

716
00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:00.840
and that that could be. That's just my opinion, because

717
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:04.719
I've also been working with a house Johnstonrhode Island that

718
00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:07.440
still has every now and then activity and I can't

719
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:10.360
figure out what the heck is going on. I get

720
00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:15.920
rid of the demonic thing, but there's still like Poltugeese

721
00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:19.800
activity and stuff. I'm thinking, could it be Native American

722
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:24.119
on that land? Some of those people were related to

723
00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:26.440
the families of the country house. Could it be part

724
00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:28.639
of a curse. That's why I was thinking of that.

725
00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:31.239
So I gotta bring my I have a friend with

726
00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:36.800
a shaman in Connecticut who's also gifted, who I'm sure

727
00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:40.119
you know, would be able to figure that out, you know,

728
00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:42.079
once he once he steps on the land.

729
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:46.199
Now it's interesting to me that you know, somebody in

730
00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:49.920
your position would bring in you know, I quote unquote

731
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:56.760
pagan human. You know, is he considered himself a Christian

732
00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:00.039
or is this kind of no?

733
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:04.320
But well, I mean I think he believes in Jesus

734
00:50:04.360 --> 00:50:08.199
and all of that, but but not Yeah, no, no,

735
00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:11.960
I wouldn't call him a Christian per se. But again,

736
00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:15.159
when you're dealing with you know, I have a lot

737
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:19.000
of respect for the Native American cultures, always have since

738
00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:19.840
I was a kid.

739
00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:24.440
Sometimes you got to go to that. Like if I

740
00:50:24.880 --> 00:50:29.880
just got something in about a Muslim who's having problems

741
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:33.880
and they said, well, you know, we don't believe in

742
00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:37.639
Jesus Christ, so you know, how do we go about

743
00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:40.039
doing I said, well, it's really not going to work

744
00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:42.760
if you don't have that faith in that. I said,

745
00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:45.760
I think you have a thing called Jin's evil jins.

746
00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:50.639
He said yes. I said, my opinion is they do

747
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:55.840
have exorcists in the Muslim faith. I said, I would

748
00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:59.960
go and go to an emam and ask that because

749
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:03.519
that's your culture, that's your faith tradition, so it's going

750
00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:06.920
to have effect in your life. Just like the Jews

751
00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:11.440
have the divot box. You know that if they were Jewish,

752
00:51:11.800 --> 00:51:16.079
I would have them first, go and have the rabbis

753
00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:19.519
who believed in that help them in that way. So

754
00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:23.760
you know, I will. I mean a lot of times

755
00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:27.360
non Catholics and even non Christians have asked me to

756
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:31.719
come on board because they were desperate, and you know,

757
00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:34.480
there's no atheist in fox holes, as they say, so

758
00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:37.400
they were willing to say, yeah, use the Christian, use

759
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:40.440
the Catholic stuff, you know what we wanted. You know,

760
00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:43.519
they were open to that. But but then there's pot

761
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:48.239
b where once I do the rituals and things are cleared,

762
00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:50.559
you go to maintain that. And the only way you

763
00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:54.360
can maintain that is through faith or else it will come.

764
00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:55.280
Back, you know.

765
00:51:56.199 --> 00:51:59.840
So it's yeah, it's a great journey. And I know

766
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:02.360
that that what I'm saying is not popular in a

767
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:06.440
lot of church circles, but it's just been my experience

768
00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:10.239
that you know, we we try to work together and

769
00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:14.719
it's a beautiful thing of understanding different cultures. You know.

770
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:19.239
Well, I've always kind of thought that, you know, God

771
00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:24.800
speaks to eagen us in different forms and whatnot, and

772
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:28.079
I think that's where a lot of other religions come from.

773
00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:32.360
I think, yeah, trying to find other ways to communicate with.

774
00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:36.920
Yeah, I mean, and there's good in most every other religion,

775
00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:41.760
and you know, and where there's good, God has a

776
00:52:42.519 --> 00:52:45.119
God has a hand in there at some some way,

777
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:50.000
shape or form. So, you know, we believe as Catholics,

778
00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:54.559
especially since Vatican two in the sixties, that you know,

779
00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:57.440
if someone practice is their faith, they didn't really have

780
00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:01.400
an experience of Jesus Christ, but they're living their own

781
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:06.360
faith and goodness. They can be saved still through those

782
00:53:06.519 --> 00:53:11.840
we believe through the sacrifice of Christ. But you know, indirectly,

783
00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:16.239
you know that sacrifice would help them too. It's the

784
00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:19.159
thing we lived in a seminar called the Anonymous Christians.

785
00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:22.400
They're acting as though they were Christian even though they're

786
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:26.000
not Christian, and they could still be saved through the

787
00:53:26.039 --> 00:53:29.760
merits of the of the passion and resurrection of Christ

788
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:35.400
because they never knew Him, but they were living, you know,

789
00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:37.880
a life according to the dictates of their culture.

790
00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:45.519
You know, No, certainly an interesting perspective on that. I've

791
00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:47.519
had a few talks one of a couple of priests

792
00:53:47.559 --> 00:53:51.559
in my life, and you know, we never quite end

793
00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:53.480
up on that side of thing. So that's that was

794
00:53:53.559 --> 00:53:54.039
kind of cool.

795
00:53:55.119 --> 00:54:00.400
Yeah, I know, I know, it's it's not I mean,

796
00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:03.400
I find i kind of see myself, you know, as

797
00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:06.639
a conservative, and I am in the way that I

798
00:54:06.679 --> 00:54:09.360
believe in the traditional things like you know, like I

799
00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:12.159
haven't thrown out Like I believe in miracles, apparitions, I

800
00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:15.320
believe in the Rosary. I believe in incense and candles

801
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:17.280
and all that. Like, I like all of that. I

802
00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:23.719
believe in the essentials of our faith. But also, you know,

803
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:28.960
I've also come to respect other religions, and you know,

804
00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:31.199
and my father has a lot to do with that,

805
00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:34.960
because I was so interested in religion that my dad

806
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:38.360
would take me like once a year to a synagogue

807
00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:40.599
and I would talk with the rabbi there and he

808
00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:44.599
would show me synagogue and I would see the similarities

809
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:48.199
in what's in a temple and what we have in

810
00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:52.079
a Catholic church, and same thing with a Protestant they

811
00:54:52.239 --> 00:54:56.880
going to a Protestant church. So because I'm so grounded

812
00:54:56.880 --> 00:54:59.679
in my Catholic faith, I I you know, I don't

813
00:54:59.719 --> 00:55:03.559
have to war. I'm not insecure someone. Sometimes I think

814
00:55:03.599 --> 00:55:07.000
people who are so closed to others there may be

815
00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:10.440
a little bit of insecurity there that they have to

816
00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:13.360
shield themselves. I don't have to. I'm grounded, you know.

817
00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:23.679
So No, it's fantastic. Nice to get that kind of perspective,

818
00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:27.679
breath of fresh air. I guess I could say, oh,

819
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:30.159
thank you, definitely.

820
00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:33.159
Ah, yes, if I'm friends with Patrick, I have to be.

821
00:55:33.400 --> 00:55:37.519
Oh yeah, definitely takes a certain type to get along

822
00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:42.880
with guys. I guess, yeah, definitely. Yeah, he's a good

823
00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:43.719
soul for sure.

824
00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:47.159
Well, that's what Pope Francis says. You're the smell like

825
00:55:47.199 --> 00:55:49.159
your sheep. You're going to go out there to the

826
00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:52.400
byways and don't you can't stay in your ivory castles.

827
00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:55.159
You're going to go out to meet them where they're at.

828
00:55:55.159 --> 00:55:56.119
That's what Jesus did.

829
00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:02.039
No, it makes complete sense on that. And sure, so

830
00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:06.360
before we wrap up here again, I want to thank

831
00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:08.599
you Bob for coming on and spending an hour with me.

832
00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:13.119
A problem shooting the bridge a little bit. My last

833
00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:19.840
question of the night, what should people be like, what

834
00:56:19.880 --> 00:56:22.840
are the signs of this kind of stuff kicking up

835
00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:25.199
other than you know, what we see in the movies,

836
00:56:26.559 --> 00:56:29.239
any kind of demonic interaction or anything like, what should

837
00:56:29.239 --> 00:56:33.639
we be looking out for or what will be noticed.

838
00:56:33.320 --> 00:56:39.239
Perthdae, Well, it depends what the you know in the house.

839
00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:42.760
When you know The activity could be you know, noises

840
00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:49.519
and stuff that the people hear doors closed, h they'll

841
00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:54.400
hear footsteps, you know, whether they have voices. That could be.

842
00:56:54.480 --> 00:57:01.559
One thing a friend of mine's house basically the bed shook,

843
00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:04.280
like when somebody was taking the leg of the bed

844
00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:08.880
and doing that. Or she has things on her mantle.

845
00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:13.239
This is a house in the seventeen hundreds, and stuff

846
00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:18.920
on the mantles rearranged. A couple of times they came

847
00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:24.480
in and and the stove was turned on and they

848
00:57:24.519 --> 00:57:28.960
know they didn't do it, or you know, things like that,

849
00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:32.519
and now you know, okay, we're not doing this. You know,

850
00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:38.360
so there's something up other people see like a black shadow,

851
00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:42.440
shadow figures, or you know, I feel a heaviness in

852
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:47.360
the house or like really cold, and I've experienced that

853
00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:51.199
at Patrick's house, right, but it wasn't a bad It

854
00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:55.760
was you know, family members and when they were around,

855
00:57:55.760 --> 00:58:02.719
they actually felt cold their energy around me. And so

856
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:07.760
those are some of the areas that are just not normal.

857
00:58:08.360 --> 00:58:11.119
And then and that's when we try to go in

858
00:58:11.199 --> 00:58:15.480
and ascertain whether you know there is something. Yeah, but

859
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:21.400
like question paranormal investigators, if you're doing this, then you

860
00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:25.000
know that there's life beyond us. You need to have

861
00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:27.079
some kind of a faith, and you need to go

862
00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:33.400
in there properly protected prayer. You need to pray, and you

863
00:58:33.440 --> 00:58:35.679
need to ask for protection because you don't know what

864
00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:41.039
you're walking into them And if you're doing this for

865
00:58:41.159 --> 00:58:43.760
enough years, you're probably going to run into a negative spirit.

866
00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:47.199
You know, you need to be prepared so it doesn't

867
00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:49.079
overwhelm you or go home with you.

868
00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:57.360
You know. Yeah, it's the last thing any of us needs. Well, Bob,

869
00:58:57.440 --> 00:59:01.239
thanks for coming on. You're welcome for a little while. Uh,

870
00:59:02.360 --> 00:59:04.719
you know, hopefully we'll do this again down the road

871
00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:05.360
at some point.

872
00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:06.920
Absolutely.

873
00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:11.519
Uh, we'll catch you next time, folks, all right,