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Feb. 5, 2026

Season 2 Episode 14: Jacen Kurciviez

Season 2 Episode 14: Jacen Kurciviez
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Jacen Kurciviez is a business-savvy musician and sales professional who brings a real-world, strategic mindset to the modern music industry. As a member of the alternative rock band Ronald Pagan, Jacen blends creativity with practical business knowledge, understanding firsthand what it takes to survive and grow in today’s independent music landscape. With a professional background in sales, Jacen approaches music not just as art, but as a business—focusing on branding, networking, and long-term sustainability for independent artists. In conversation, he speaks openly about the realities of the music industry, why so many artists struggle, and why passionate musicians continue pushing forward despite how frustrating the business side can be. Jacen represents the modern independent artist: creative, strategic, and determined to build something real in an industry that rarely makes it easy.

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What's up, guys, there's another additional bulldog un censored today.

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I've got Jason Cress. I think I fucked that up.

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Perceiv's come on, let's get it, kerse EV's you got it?

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There you go.

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Uh.

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But I just started talking about his band, Ronald Pagan.

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They're Eastern Mass based and a bit of an alternative

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rock project. And it started out talking about booking shows,

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and then we just got to talk in business in general,

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and he gave me some sound advice in the vein

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of Tony Robbins and whatnot. So Jesus Brooklyn to the

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show Glade.

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Technically, that's all right.

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I'm just grateful to be here. I'm just it's just

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it's nice to connect with people, even even it doesn't

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have to be in a podcast format. Just I think

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it's just good to connect with people one on one.

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You know what's gonna happen with this is when these

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get posted, Like random people I meet in my life

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will then google my name. This is more when I

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was single, You're about to go on a date with

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a girl and then she'll google you and she'll look

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at all these things. I have this weird like random

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podcast resume and then they kind of get in, they

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kind of invest in you before It's just it was funny,

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but also happened with like employers once upon a time,

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and like it'll probably happen with my business now. Just

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google my name and then random random stuff comes up

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and I don't know what story it's gonna tell, but

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you know it's it's fun and it's uh yeah, thanks

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for having me absolutely.

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Yeah. So how did Ronald Paggy come about?

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I such a good question, dude, I really really love

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that question. I'm so excited answer it. Then my last

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I'm in a library too, so I kind of feel pretentious,

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but whatever. So I was in another band called Broken

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Vanity that started a little more magically, i'll say a

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little bit more of a destiny. I'll call it was

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Broken Vanity. We met some of my closest friends. We

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it was basically two guys that didn't have structure, two musicians,

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and I was a very structured guy. I was training

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for I was going to join the military, Like I

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was satting, I had this. I was just like I

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didn't know what I was doing with my life basically

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after college. Yeah, and uh, I remember I was running

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I was doing a crazy like workout schedule, running on

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the beach every morning and night. And then like probably

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like two months into it, I met I ran by

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these musicians and then I like, I just decided to

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turn around and like I ran past them and they're playing.

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They seemed cool. I just decided to turn around and

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talked to them kind of like a cold approach basically

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almost like which is what I kind of do when

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sales now for my profession. But I basically approached strangers

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and I said, hey, I'll record you guys for free,

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because I had like crappy studio equipment, probably from Guitar Center.

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And they were just like cool, yeah, sure, And we

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just met, we vibed. I gave them things that they

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didn't have, they gave me things I didn't have. It

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was just a very enjoyable experience and we just kept going.

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We just kept pushing, kept pushing. It grew into a band.

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We were together for like three years. We broke up,

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and I was angry when it broke up because I

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felt it's a very long story. Later like I could

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give you a lot, and then this kind of the

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reason it broke up more or less was because I

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became arguably a dictator and and I had to face

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reality and learn. So when the band broke up, I

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was alone for like a year or two making a business,

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and then finally I got the business going, and then

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I said, I'm going back into the band, and I

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have that going. I made a new band with all

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the lessons I learned, and it's much different now. So

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it's definitely it's definitely much different than that one, but

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it's it's a different type of person. Kind of I'm

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a different person in this band. That's what I put

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it as.

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But just for fun at the end of the day, yes, yeah, ah,

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right on, I can definitely speak to that. You know,

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I've been My first band was around for just about

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thirteen years or about, went through a couple of different

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lineup changes, but the whole group of guys I had

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from twenty ten to two thousand and fifteen technically speaking.

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But yeah, we did. We kind of did like you know,

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macho metal back in the.

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Day, what's monsho metal. The Little War was.

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Kind of like god Smack and five Finger Death Punch

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had a baby.

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Okay, so like lots of like I'm a dude or like.

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But that's what that's called. Mancho metal.

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I mean, that's what I call it.

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That's hilarious. God, So I listed of when I work out,

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so it's like.

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I mean, and don't get me wrong, I love God's

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back and yeah punch, but it definitely has that certain

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tone to it. And you know, I was in my

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early twenties and I, uh, I was chasing tail, trying

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to a wife, and I settled down the twenty twenty

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years old and I figured out, wait a second, I

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can make this last a little bit longer. So we

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were We started out as like a party metal band,

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like you know, Molly cru kind of vibes. Yeah, chicks

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dancing on stage with or some ship.

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No way, Oh yeah, how'd you do that?

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We we started out, Uh, we wrote a song called

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Little Vixen, and I noticed that someone of the chicks

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in the crowd were really digging the beat and like

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getting into it and moving and whatnot.

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And I just said, fuck it, rock and roll all right, girls,

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get up?

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Yeah that on Spotify that one, No, I get a

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I got to backlog my calendar for my old band

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stuff because this was all pre Spotify days and ship. Yeah,

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but yeah, we're probably going to re release that just

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for ships and googles.

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I want to know this song, what song is what

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macho metal gets girls to dance?

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And so that's interesting to swing it like, you know,

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it was all about getting dirty and fucking what.

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And yeah, they seem to like it.

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And then as a joke at practice, I started playing

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uh tush by, It's easy top okay, and I was like,

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wait a minute, this, this might be a good idea

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to beat it up a little bit, to give a

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twist to it and doing what we're doing. So okay,

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okay that we did end up recording that cover of

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our first record, okay, when I was in a fuel

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of war, and I just I love playing it, and

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people loved that particular way we did it. There was

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a bunch of slide guitar on top of you know,

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metal guitar room and shit like that, and it just

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it was catchy and girls like to dance to it.

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So I said, fuck it, why not?

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That's pretty cool.

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So it started out like that, and then I went

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through a couple of really bad relationships and.

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The creative part of me started going more of a

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metal core.

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I wouldn't say email direction, but like you know, more

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like kill switch engage, like oh my god. You So

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we were heavy, but we had emotion behind it, and

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that's kind of where we left off.

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You know.

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The band breakup was kind of I don't know, I

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think some of the guys that were playing with me,

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we all had to grow up in our own way.

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You know.

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My drummer at the time was originally from Kentucky and

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he moved back home because he just wasn't hacking it

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up and up in New England because it's just it's

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a whole in the world when you look at business

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and culture as far as living down South and the

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Sticks and then coming up into Boston and was there

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and yeah, yeah, it was a bit of a culture

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shock for him.

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But years later we got back in.

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Touch and now we're how long was that band together for?

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From started in two thousand and nine and ended in

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twenty fourteen. Wow, And then we get two shows. We

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came back in twenty nineteen. We're planning on the comeback

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at the time. We did two shows and then COVID happened,

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and basically until COVID resumed, everything kind of came to

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was preaching halts and you know, the rest of my

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bandmates I had other things going on in their lives

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and had some health problems and shit like that. So

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I said, you know what time's taking away, I ain't

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out forever, and I got to make the best use

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of the time I got left and his planet to

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make an impact on people and you know, leave something

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behind that people can continue to grow over time.

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And that's kind of why I got into it in

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the first place.

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I just feel like I've been kind of struggling with

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this because I feel like the bands are for what

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you said. You said Chasing Tail, right, It's like I

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just like I can't get over it now because like

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I feel like I was just partying so much doing it, yeah,

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and it was so addicting, and it was too addicting,

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like and I got, I got insane, like I got

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I felt like I just my head changed and and

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that and that's why being broke up, because I feel

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like I stopped caring about the people in it as much,

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and like I was kind of pushing them too hard

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and I lost my ways and I was burnt out

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and we were just doing show after show after show,

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but it was too freaking empty rooms, like that's how

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it is. So I'm just like now I'm so much

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more strategic for that reason. But like, dude, I was

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thinking last night, like I wrote a whole I've been

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trying to journal more. Yeah, and I was just journaling

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like I don't know, I don't think music's making me

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happy anymore, and it's kind of really hard for me

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to walk away from it. Yeah, because you saw how

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I was thinking. So we were talking about like business stuff.

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Yeah right, and you could see how I gave you

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like a direction with it. You know what, why why

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was that value you you did? You find that conversation valuable?

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Oh? Absolutely?

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I mean anytime I think, you know, like you said,

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some of these guys that are getting into bands aren't

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getting into for the same reasons, And I think those

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are the ones that get lost in the shuffle mm hmm,

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and we get so programmed to follow, you know. I

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called them a Metallica little print of just building the

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pavement and going everywhere that will give you.

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A chance to be heard. That Metallica did pretty much.

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I mean they slept in vans and eight fucking once

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we get in the California and drove all over the

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place to police shows and get noticed and eventually they

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got picked up by a label. But nowadays labels don't

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even really mean all that much. Yeah, Metallica was in

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the eighties, right, Yeah, so a lot of people are still.

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Forty year old marketing.

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You know, outdated.

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Business models have changed, and now that technology has become

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so prevalent, you know, we've kind of had to adjust

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how we're doing it.

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Yeah, I just like, for what, like, why are we

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doing it? And I know you're doing it? You got

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you got the you think of business mindy right, So

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it's like income and impact, right and if you.

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Ultimately even if the money wasn't the thing, I just

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still do it because I'm trying to you know, we

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live in a really weird world these days.

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Well, money doesn't make you happy, well exactly.

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Right, you know.

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I I'm about trying to make some kind of positive

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impact because there's not a lot out there.

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Right, That's why that takes a lot of people a

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while to learn.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, and like I want to make impact too, m hmm.

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But why right? It makes us feel good? All of

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it just makes us feel good.

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Yeah, I mean we all have addictions.

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But what do you mean? I mean you could be

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like what I was looking at the Jeffrey Epstein's stuff,

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that's like all I like do and scrolled all that. Yeah. Like,

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but those who are like, that's what happens. You become rich, successful,

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you just have unlimited appetite for fucked up shit.

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Yeah, because you run out of things that are gonna stimulate.

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Yeah, those guys are miserable. You know.

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I just want enough money to pay my bills and

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add a little bit fun. Nothing crazy, And for a

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lot of us nowadays, like it's hard to even do that.

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I just feel like the appetite doesn't go away.

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Well, it's it's something that you fall in love with.

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What do you mean it's I mean, I guess there'

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relationship between musicians and music and performing, you know, like

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you said to me last week, like most bands should

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be grateful that they get to go up and play

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rock star for the weekend and not worried about any

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of this other bullshit. Why did I say that though, Well,

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it was a matter of you know, people in the

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business that are coming up focusing too much on or

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you know, I guess not that can contradict myself, but

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you know, the compensation and the entitlement from some bands

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that aren't necessarily worth their asking. Chris, that's never worth

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anything to me, exactly. It's never like it's I could

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literally put on my phone and make music appear. But

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I guess it is cool to see a band live

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and like, yeah, I mean to me, the therapeutic, energetic,

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it's something that you really can't get through listening to

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just a file of something.

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Especially. I love bands of the theatrical, like Iron Maiden,

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stuff like that.

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Are they they're theatrical.

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They've got a little bit of a stage show, they.

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Got Eddy walking around and you know, like Rob Zombie

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is a perfect example. He's depends of puppetry and stage

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effects and all that shit. So going to bands like that,

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you know you're getting a full show and you're getting

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a chance to escape from the bullshit, right, And I

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think because life has gotten so crazy for a lot

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of us, we're all desperate for that escape.

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But it's like, dude, there's so many ways to escape. No,

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it's so easier to escape now. Yeah, with your I

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was escaping. I was literally looking you can justify your escaping,

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like I can listen to books and be like, oh,

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I'm escaping like, I know what I'm escaping. It's when

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I don't want to do anything hard, but like to escape,

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like by going out to a show and escaping by

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leaving your house. That seems hard now, you know, I'd

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rather escape by staying in bed and doom trolling for

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an hour and then go to bed and get to

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bet on time and do it for free, you know,

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like it's just to do it for a band. That's

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why it's like we were talking like I just I'm

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so like we were doing too many shows in my

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last band, but now in this show, this band, Like

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I you have to beg me. I'm saying no to

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my band. They're asking me to do shows. I'm like, no,

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I don't want to do it. No, No, I don't

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want to do anything. I don't want to because I don't.

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I don't know.

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Maybe that's too much of an extreme, but I just

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get I I just I don't know. It's such a

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weird world. What is a show? It's I think, well, okay,

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I'm talking a lot, but you asked me to come

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on your show. So the ultimately, I just think everyone's

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arising everyone in society. I think ultimately the direction is

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everyone will have social media profiles ultimately, and like their

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whole lives will be documented. I think that's where the

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end of this is going. Everyone should have content. It's

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not impressive to even have your own channels anymore. No

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one will watch like your show as much as like

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because it's just so many shows.

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And yeah, it's that.

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The market is just overfaggerated because everybody's trying to be

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some sort of influencer.

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And I think the reason that I do what I

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do is more because I.

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Like to be social and I like.

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Have a community type of feeling. You know, I don't.

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I can't go out and do a lot of shit

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all the time, whether it's the weather or you know,

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money instraints. But I can be like, Okay, I've got

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this to look forward to, to hang out with my

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friends and do what we all love to do together

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and maybe make a few bucks on the side. That's

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just an added bonus. It doesn't have to be about

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the money. It's about the time spent face to face

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rather than looking.

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At a screen.

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The we're doing a show at Chuck e Cheese. Really

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clock your eyebrows. Your eyebrows went up? Do tell where

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this kid is Okay, what do you think of that idea?

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Well, it's pretty off the wall. You're gonna get most.

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Of your you know, your dad rock types, and you

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get dad rock types at Chuck E Cheese. I mean,

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I think, you know, I don't have any kids, but

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I know enough people that do have them.

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You know, I think.

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It it definitely would stand out and be quite a surprise.

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It stands out. Yeah, it definitely stands out.

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Yeah.

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It's like somebody's showing up in the middle of mall

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and just starting a show.

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Yeah. Like that that's what I live for as an entertainer,

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you know. And so it's like with what you're saying

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with the shows and stuff that you guys do, Like

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I I am just sick of every band, Like, like, dude,

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you make let's let's all be real. You make a band, yeah,

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and you tell everyone you're in a band, and it

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took effort to make that band.

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Yeah.

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And you when you show up, you got your team

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with you and there's you in the middle and your

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band pictures and your parents talk to you, our family

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that of the family dinners, They're like, oh, how's your

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band doing.

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Oh, he's a little rock.

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Stuff, And like They're lives are boring, right a lot

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of people. It is interesting, Yeah, but like we have,

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we are so much more capable as humans to form

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in this age, We're so much more capable to form

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greater things. So it's not impressive to me ultimately just

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making getting a group of five guys together. They could

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play instruments, Like, everyone's good at an instrument. So what's

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impressive or what sticks out? Chuck e cheese sticks out

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to me? It's stupid, it's weird. It's a little like, uh,

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like why it's what are you doing chuck e cheese?

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Like it's also been done before or not. It's the

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Denny's thing. I got it from the Denny's things. You

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know what I'm talking about.

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Yeah, I think I've seen.

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That, Like what the fuck is not up Denny's Like,

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and it's the mosh pit, like I'm a studio in

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the chuck e Cheese Like it's just never been done before,

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Like I live for that, like never been done stuff.

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And so it's like everyone's been in a cool band

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and everyone's on Spotify and like, you know what people

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don't do though, is the image when you're talking. That's

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why I was interested in Iron Maiden when you were

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talking about it. They don't. They don't get that far

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with the image.

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And nowadays, you know, they're all just they look like

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some guy that just walked in to have a beer

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and got up on stage. They don't put the effort

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into actually caring how they present themselves.

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I hate those bands. I judge. I just judge people.

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I'm very jud I feel like I'm very judgmental. I'm

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wisely judgmental.

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The difference between doing that and being an asshole, yeah,

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but actually like being strategic about it.

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Right, So the Good Book says that, you know, don't judge,

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and then it literally says and judge righteously, So it

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says both both of these ideas exist. And like judaeo

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Christian theology, which I hated. How I just said that

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because it sounds like I'm trying to be smart, but

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like that's just what it is. Yeah, exactly, you know,

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So like I'll be I'll be wicked quick with judging

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people in the sense of like, I mean, there's so

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much information someone can tell me about them. I mean,

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you were here fifteen minutes early, yea to your own meaning, right.

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I thought that was impressive. You're prepared. Yeah, now, maybe

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you were bored.

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I don't know.

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Maybe I had nothing better to do.

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I mean, you know it sticks to one and a

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half a dozen the other. But yeah, like.

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But it's it's there's just so many. I mean, like, look,

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if you were, if you were, this is gonna be.

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I don't care.

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I don't care. I want to say it. I gotta

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be uncanny with you or unfiltered. I'm always afraid this

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shit's gonna come back to me and I'm gonna regret it.

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The world's so screwed up right now. I did not

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give a f I know, I like I do.

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My strategy is to go all in, like because if

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I just saturate the internet with myself, like so it's

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just like a good look going through all my stuff,

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like right, you'll find out I say, Like, I mean,

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that's what I'd rather be than being like ooh, I

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said this one thing one time. But all right, let's

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just say someone's wearing glasses, right, I can judge them,

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right if they come to brand practice, if they're like

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I saw this musician. He was a short guy and

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I'm a short guy, but long hair, and he had

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these like just stupid looking glasses and he was in

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a metal band, and I don't care. He didn't look

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tough to me. It didn't look cool to me, right,

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And I but that's not That doesn't mean he's a

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bad person or his band's bad, right, But like, you know,

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if you're auditioning for my band, I might. I'm just

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I'm not. I'm taking notes is what I put. And

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I call it data, Like, Okay, you got glasses interesting

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and they don't flatter your face. That tells me maybe

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you never thought about how you look. That's just what

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I'm thinking.

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Maybe.

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But but then I say, who knows me? It could

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be wrong. But if I find like one, two, three, four,

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five bullet points, I'm like, oh there's a story here

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and it's going in that direction, then I can make

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a better decision. But like anyway, so that's not even

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a bad thing to say, just talk about judging people.

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But you know, I, uh, yeah no.

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But the band like Slipknot, they if you can get

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to that point where you're but so many bands I

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try to get to the point where they have an image,

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they don't pull it off. And I think that's a

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leadership issue. I think that's an alignment issue. And that's

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why I talk to you about a lot of what

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I talked about, which is being on a team. I

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think a band is an opportunity to be a team.

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And I don't think there's any bad teams. Only think

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there's bad leaders. So I function with that philosophy.

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Yeah, and a leader in particular situation say that I

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definitely consider myself to be a leader in my band. Well,

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I mean I think you know, I was the one

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coordinating get everybody getting together in the first place, and

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you know I'm doing all this other shit on top

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of it, and even my bandmates will tell you Josh

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is the driving force behind everything that we've done so far.

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Really, why is that? You said you're not the leader

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of the band though.

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And I consider to be one of two front men.

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I guess they would consider you a driving force. Yeah right,

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Why that's rare? Yeah, why, I think because.

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They're inspired by my motivation.

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And I tell but why do you do that? Like?

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Why do I do that?

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Yeah?

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Well, I guess when when you're dealt a certain hand

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in life and you have certain limitations and you have

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to depend on people to survive, essentially, you start to

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learn who you can rely on and what becomes a

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safe atmosphere and who you can't mm hmm. And I

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I'm not sure why particularly, like I can't really put

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an explanation on.

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It, but you take responsibility.

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Yeah, yeah, I I like motivating people and making them

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do things that they didn't think they could do.

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Why is why? But if you're doing the work, why

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are you? Why is that motivating someone else? Because if

477
00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:50.319
you're the driving force, you're doing the work, you're orchestrating,

478
00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:53.519
why did that motivate other people?

479
00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:58.680
In my situation? And that I know it because I've

480
00:27:58.759 --> 00:28:03.400
encountered it. You know, a lot of people like especially

481
00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:07.119
if they were not born with a conditioner or something

482
00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:10.799
like that, and then they had something happen where they're

483
00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:19.279
now limited to an extreme. Despite my limitations, I've made

484
00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:26.400
my own path, and I think people are attracted to

485
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:31.680
that kind of energy becaure's a lot of society, you know,

486
00:28:31.759 --> 00:28:36.000
everybody's depressed, everybody's down about shit, And I'm kind of

487
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:38.480
the smack in the back of the head to be like.

488
00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:39.519
Not a copy of bullshit?

489
00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:45.079
Yeah, yeah, you know, it ain't that hard, but aren't

490
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:48.039
you doing it? Like I let's just use band practice.

491
00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:50.960
Like you said, you are a straight band practice, right,

492
00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:58.119
You're doing that job for them, and you're saying that

493
00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:02.680
motivates them. But that you just did their job, or

494
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:06.880
you did you didn't work. Now they don't have to

495
00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:08.400
do it, is what I'm saying.

496
00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:12.799
Maybe one of those things that like, how is that?

497
00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:15.440
How is that really motivating that? I'm not saying it wrong.

498
00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:20.200
I want to see what you you know, are they

499
00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:23.039
doing other things? Are they like what like, how do

500
00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:26.400
you see it multiply? That would be my question. Do

501
00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:29.759
you see that multiply your band's output?

502
00:29:31.359 --> 00:29:32.640
I mean, I think.

503
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:38.160
For the most part we're all pretty like minded individuals

504
00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:42.640
as far as belief systems and things like that.

505
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:43.160
That's cool.

506
00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:47.599
But then again, there's a good amount of concious at

507
00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:52.920
certain points too. I I guess it's one of the

508
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:55.480
things that I have to ask them what it is you?

509
00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:03.200
So, do you all right like to me? The leader?

510
00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:05.680
I don't know if I can fully say this, but

511
00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:11.400
my gut says that a leader gets other people to

512
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:14.880
do more than either they think they're capable of or

513
00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:19.440
even or that they would have normally done. Yeah, you

514
00:30:20.599 --> 00:30:24.000
orchestrating band practice gets them to show up. Yeah, now

515
00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:28.400
they're working, which wouldn't have happened without you. Work is

516
00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:31.640
being done, their time is now you're multiplying your ban

517
00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:33.200
because it's like, how many people are in the band.

518
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:39.240
There's four of us, so one person cracking open the bottle, yeah,

519
00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:43.960
and making band practice occur multiplies Josh's time by four

520
00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:47.000
people four man hours. Because you all meet for one

521
00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:50.319
hour two hours. It's four people times one to two hours.

522
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:52.079
So I see that.

523
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:53.640
Mmm.

524
00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:59.319
Do you guys, do you get do you get along

525
00:30:59.359 --> 00:30:59.920
with your guys?

526
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.200
Oh yeah, no, like you guys? Do you feel about

527
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:04.559
closest friends these days?

528
00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:06.920
Closest friends? And how long has this band's been together?

529
00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:11.880
We started almost two years ago.

530
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:16.400
Okay, you've been around about as long as my band,

531
00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:18.759
But I don't feel that close with my guys.

532
00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:24.079
Well, I think it comes from the most of the

533
00:31:24.119 --> 00:31:28.200
band members in this in my band right now, came

534
00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:31.680
from other bands earlier on in our lives m h.

535
00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:37.880
And learned whatever it was with our first bands was

536
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:41.160
you know this works? So that doesn't work. Yeah, it's

537
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:43.680
kind of like graduating to a new level.

538
00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:46.000
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

539
00:31:46.039 --> 00:31:49.200
And now we're also most of us Anyway, I can't

540
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:52.519
speak for our ability, but you know we've all.

541
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:55.880
Matured quite a bit and our reasons why are different.

542
00:31:56.319 --> 00:32:01.839
Ye, what what is an example of that graduation? I

543
00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:04.079
think that's a good question I have.

544
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:11.039
I'm gonna start a podcast, Yeah no, but I want

545
00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:14.480
to know what is What is an example that graduation

546
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:17.240
that you guys like didn't understand before and now you

547
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:18.039
do understand.

548
00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:20.519
Well, I think it's kind of like what you and

549
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:23.119
I had talked about doing the lessons more approach.

550
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:25.559
Okay, what does that mean?

551
00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:31.079
Finding a happy medium between keeping people's attention and not

552
00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:36.319
running yourself into the ground by counting the pavement and

553
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:39.480
playing you know a show evert has a weekend or

554
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:46.839
every weekend even you know, I've kind of started to

555
00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:49.160
see that it makes more sense to spread it out.

556
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:53.640
And you know, if if you do want to cover ground,

557
00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:57.720
do it all on one weekend and then take you

558
00:32:57.799 --> 00:33:02.480
some time back at home base and then like you

559
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:05.119
have to create a desire for them to see you.

560
00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:08.640
Oh, you guys will do a tour in a weekend.

561
00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:11.279
Well, that's that's what we've done occasionally.

562
00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:13.880
Yeah, yeah, okay, we do like a three and four

563
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:18.079
to eight run but up until this point, we've only

564
00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:22.240
done one or two shows per month, per month.

565
00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:26.960
Yeah, I still think that's a lot. Yeah, well does

566
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:29.359
that offend you?

567
00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:33.279
No? Again, we do it because we love it.

568
00:33:33.319 --> 00:33:37.200
But yeah, yeah, we're starting to understand what you were

569
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:42.200
talking about, and yeah, realizing that if we we're in

570
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:46.640
a weird spot because we haven't built enough following two

571
00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:54.440
be that novelty act person. Yeah yeah, but all four

572
00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:59.079
of us individually have enough reputation in the music scene

573
00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:01.079
that people still give a shit.

574
00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:01.720
Yeah.

575
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:08.920
Yeah, So yeah, I think as we speak right now,

576
00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:13.519
especially like the difference between, like you said, releasing a

577
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:16.719
whole album versus staggering singles.

578
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:19.480
Over a period of time, the format has.

579
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:23.840
Changed, okay, and I think bands right now are starting

580
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:26.800
to realize that doing it the old way just doesn't

581
00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:27.760
make any sense anymore.

582
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:28.719
Mm hmmm hm.

583
00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:33.480
So I'm trying to find a happy medium between it's

584
00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:37.800
feeling like I'm being social and staying healthy by being active,

585
00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:42.840
because honestly, music is just as much cardio for me as.

586
00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:46.119
Anybody can I can I share my screen with you?

587
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:48.079
Yeah? Absolutely, all right?

588
00:34:48.199 --> 00:34:50.639
When I see because I'm gonna get I'm gonna shift

589
00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:53.679
your perspective a little bit, and I might maybe I'll

590
00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:56.760
change your life. Maybe maybe I'll change a lot of

591
00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:59.480
this for you. And I'm not doing this to brag.

592
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:08.079
I'm doing this too to do Let's see if I

593
00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:10.840
can or is this okay? Share Google?

594
00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:11.320
Chrome?

595
00:35:11.679 --> 00:35:14.039
Hold on? Let me say something bad on my screen?

596
00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:15.360
Is my screen sharing?

597
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:18.920
Oh no, I'm still just seeing you alright.

598
00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:23.360
One second? All right, so we'll share this, all right?

599
00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:24.719
Yeah you're ready?

600
00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:25.599
Yeah?

601
00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:30.519
Boom? All right. This is our inbox. This is I

602
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:34.519
checked this every year. This is you know, every hour

603
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:41.800
I have. We're flooded with notifications. Yeah, right, and then

604
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:47.079
I have a million conversations that are just most of

605
00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:50.039
them are me messaging people. Yeah, and I can't even

606
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:52.199
catch up on all of them. And this goes down

607
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:56.719
for six months. I'm probably most of these are converted.

608
00:35:56.760 --> 00:35:58.480
I'll show you. I can see the ones with the

609
00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:02.320
bell on them. This is this is a conversion, right.

610
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:08.840
This is that marketing list thing I show you I

611
00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:12.840
told you about, So why am I showing you this?

612
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:16.800
This is a flood of social I'm gonna stop sharing

613
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:21.920
my screen? How do I crap? How do I stop

614
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:29.119
sharing my screen? And? Oh? Boom, boom mm hmm to

615
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:32.599
by Tony Robbins, where do I stop sharing?

616
00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:33.119
Right there?

617
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:33.159
You?

618
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:40.000
Sorry? The what do we do.

619
00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:45.199
This? So you talked about the social battery? What you

620
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:48.000
what you say about social battery? You said something like that, well.

621
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:52.039
Just maintaining somewhat of a social interaction in person.

622
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:58.320
Yeah, yep, okay, in person. In person, It is really

623
00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:02.320
fun to have social interact actions on social media if

624
00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:05.000
you do it to scale and you meet, like I've met,

625
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:08.320
every one of our followers is someone I've never met, right,

626
00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:11.440
So it's like super powerful in that way because we

627
00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:16.480
have three thousand I think, So that's like just three

628
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:18.880
thousand random people I've never met. I can't even like,

629
00:37:18.920 --> 00:37:21.440
how many people does it take for me to meet that?

630
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:21.760
You know?

631
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:24.079
How long does that take? For I know, in cold calling,

632
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:27.000
a sick day for me, like a pretty good day

633
00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:31.119
is fifty people. When I'm in savage mode. Savage mode,

634
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:34.480
that's like thirteen fourteen hour days. That's one hundred people

635
00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:38.559
for me. Then that's hard to get and I'm tired

636
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:41.519
at the end of that, and I'm like calling because

637
00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:47.400
that's you know whatever. So so what I started thinking

638
00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:51.079
was that when I looked at the content creation as

639
00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:54.639
like a better way to meet people. That's all I

640
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:57.920
view it as. God, it got got so much more

641
00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:01.280
exciting because I haven't even gone viral that many times,

642
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:06.679
Like I've gone viral off stupid things and I've already like,

643
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:10.159
but then when you get smart and you get better

644
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:12.480
and better and better like you, you can create so

645
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:15.880
much more social life, which is what makes me wicked

646
00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:22.760
excited about because I'm wicked extroverted, you know. But anyways,

647
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:24.559
that's all I want to share. Was that something like

648
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:29.239
I But but even still I have a bigger show.

649
00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:29.519
I know.

650
00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:32.199
It's it's like, how do you I want to go

651
00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:33.679
on and meet people all the time and talk to

652
00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:36.079
them at the show. Yeah, but I had to make

653
00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:37.440
a choice. So I want to fill up a room

654
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:42.519
one time and wait longer, or do I want to

655
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:45.599
do it is more often to not have them as film.

656
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:50.719
But I would play shows every weekend like Metallica. I

657
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:53.960
would if there were new audiences every time. I just

658
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:56.119
don't see that opportunity occurring anymore.

659
00:38:56.519 --> 00:38:59.880
Yeah, And I think the trouble I'm running into now

660
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:03.400
is that, you know, when it was brand new and

661
00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:06.559
I was new to the scene, per se. It kind

662
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:08.840
of like that novelty is kind of worn off in

663
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:09.360
this area.

664
00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:13.320
Now yeah yeah, you know, you still get a few stragglers,

665
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:16.840
but like I'm in the Northeast, I'm known enough to

666
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:19.880
be like, oh yeah, you're that guy that you'll get

667
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:21.079
something like that.

668
00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:24.800
And uh so that's kind of why I've been like, well,

669
00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:26.960
if we get out of our region a little bit,

670
00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:29.519
I'll get some of that back and make more of

671
00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:31.119
an impact because we'll be fresh.

672
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:38.280
You you would you with was it osteoper.

673
00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:42.559
Osteogenesis imperfected osteogenesis imperfecta?

674
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:49.679
That is such a like do you have a lot

675
00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:54.360
of power with that? On social media? Like you have? You? You?

676
00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:58.320
I told you and it's not. It's just true. But

677
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:01.800
like people imediately stop scrolling and want to listen to

678
00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:04.440
what you're doing. They're like, whoa, because because of exactly

679
00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:07.199
what you said, like you're you were telling me like

680
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:12.480
inspiring people like, because you know you have a disability?

681
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:15.760
Does that so that sounds I don't even like saying

682
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:18.880
that to you. You I wouldn't even call it a disability,

683
00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:20.480
but I know where that it is.

684
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:23.800
You know, you know I make the joke or you

685
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:29.199
got disability and datability like but I mean, I don't

686
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:34.000
get that is a data like data? Well, this is that,

687
00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:38.079
you know, like everybody's got something.

688
00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:46.039
That's so funny. So what I watched your footage on

689
00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:48.960
what I was honestly debating. I was like, do I

690
00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:50.679
want to do a podcast? Like do I want to?

691
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:54.159
Because I don't know. I just have an ego and

692
00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:57.599
I was like whatever, like what is gonna what am.

693
00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:01.519
I gonna get out of it? Because your initial yeah, what.

694
00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:05.840
Is just for me? But I did watch your like

695
00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:09.320
stuff on YouTube, like I just looked you up. Isn't

696
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:12.599
it crazy? I researched you. It's like what we said,

697
00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:15.199
like people research me with the podcast, you know, like

698
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:16.719
you know, they'll look me up and see what it was.

699
00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:18.880
But I did it with you when you invited me,

700
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:25.440
and yeah, you told this joke. I told two jokes.

701
00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:28.559
I watched two sets. In the first five seconds, I

702
00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:31.000
laughed at what you said. I was like and that

703
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:32.599
at the second laugh, I was like, alright, I gotta

704
00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:34.719
do this, Like why why am I? Why am I

705
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:36.800
fighting this? You earned it at that point, So it

706
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:39.519
kind of not that I would just do it like

707
00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:43.400
oh you were but like like, it's not like to

708
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:46.199
be cocky, it's just I started. I was genuinely laughing,

709
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:51.360
and I was like, that's just funny. But yeah, no,

710
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:53.320
it doesn't seem novel to me anymore. That's why I

711
00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:55.440
kind of hate it, honestly, Like I want to quit.

712
00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:59.519
I was thinking about quitting last night, Like I I'm running.

713
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:03.960
I feel like the system I have to run the

714
00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:08.400
band is probably way above. I don't even want to

715
00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:14.199
say way above, but like it seems too extreme and

716
00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:19.239
even though I don't think it is, but I'm not

717
00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:23.559
enjoying this anymore. I'm not like I'm putting time and

718
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:26.679
money into it. I don't even have like a vision

719
00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:30.679
for it. I was thinking about you're talking about impact.

720
00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:32.400
I was like, look, I'm gonna get a hundred people

721
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:34.199
in a room a couple times a year, so what.

722
00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.000
But it's gonna be a big party. What can I

723
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:40.639
do with that audience that will create impact? You know

724
00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:43.599
when you think about the charity shows, right like you

725
00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:45.639
think about, oh, we'll donate to this cause, but like

726
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:49.960
that's been done and I don't really like that. Like

727
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:51.960
I'd rather have a show in front of like a

728
00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:53.000
politician's house.

729
00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:54.079
That's here's a good idea.

730
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:58.079
Go to a politician's house, have your show and then

731
00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:01.199
you know, punk shows and front of the politicians house,

732
00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:10.440
film it and then Molotov coxails the politics. But like, yeah,

733
00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:15.440
I'm not on an FBI watch list, but I just like,

734
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:17.599
what do you do with it? So because I just

735
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:19.960
feel like it's partying, That's all I feel like. This

736
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:23.280
is you're in a band. Party is degenerate, You're you're

737
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:26.719
young and cool, right, those are the bands that make it.

738
00:43:26.760 --> 00:43:30.519
That's the value. It's the cultural coolness. Like Billie Eilish

739
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:33.480
going on at the Grammys and telling us what to

740
00:43:33.519 --> 00:43:40.239
think about politics and the world like were she only

741
00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:44.079
can do that because what she's young and beautiful and

742
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:47.840
the singer like, I don't, well, we could get into.

743
00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:52.199
All that, you know, and I'm not above talking above

744
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:53.199
the triangle.

745
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:01.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that.

746
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:04.599
Was Oh my gosh, man, that's coming back the ILLUMINAI

747
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:05.480
seatan agenda.

748
00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:11.880
It's a real thing, man, based on I mean I

749
00:44:11.960 --> 00:44:18.119
come from yeah, right, I always knew I'd get to

750
00:44:18.159 --> 00:44:21.840
talk about this, No, but I.

751
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:24.599
Come from a long line of law.

752
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:33.360
Enforcement background, and for whatever reason, my relatives and myself

753
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:36.559
just to have a kind of a detective kind of

754
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:41.679
mindset anyway. Yeah, so we're always at least I can

755
00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:44.480
only speak for me, but I know if I had

756
00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:47.119
the physical ability to be a cup like my dad,

757
00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:51.639
I probably would have been an extent I would do.

758
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:52.840
That's so funny.

759
00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:54.039
Yeah, I will.

760
00:44:54.159 --> 00:44:56.800
That was not like that I wanted to. That was

761
00:44:56.840 --> 00:44:58.519
like a I don't want to say, a fallback career.

762
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:03.239
My grandfather there was a cop. I do it. You know,

763
00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:05.039
I think that I like that. I like that job,

764
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:07.679
but like, yeah, you know it's tough, it's a tough gig.

765
00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:08.599
But yeah, what were you saying.

766
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:10.840
I tell people all the time, like I joined the

767
00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:12.880
military and artbeat if they're take me because I've got

768
00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:19.000
the right mindset for it. Yeah right, But yeah, I think,

769
00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:27.000
you know, based on my natural instincts to investigate certain

770
00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:30.039
things and and learn as much as I can, I've

771
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:33.599
always been kind of a truth seeker. I hate to

772
00:45:33.679 --> 00:45:39.159
use that term because it's so you know, commonplace now

773
00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:42.480
for the wrong reasons. Per sec Okay, do you think

774
00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:47.199
it's I mean, I just think like you get lumped

775
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:52.760
into that conspiracy theory bullshit, and people even what's bullshit?

776
00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:57.000
Well, I mean like instead of.

777
00:45:58.360 --> 00:46:03.039
Looking at facts and whatnot and and seeing evidence in

778
00:46:03.079 --> 00:46:08.199
your own life or experiences that an individual can go through.

779
00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:14.400
You know, a lot of people just as soon as

780
00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:18.440
you give them something that's not on you know, part

781
00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:19.480
of the script or.

782
00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:21.440
The norm or anything like that.

783
00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:26.519
Thinking outside the box, using intelligence on a different level,

784
00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:32.119
you know, like, ah, that's as all fucking conspiracy as

785
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:38.960
like well, like you said, like the fucking you know,

786
00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:41.920
lumanati us in them kind of situation.

787
00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:47.400
I don't know all the facts. I know what I see.

788
00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:53.320
I am observant of symbolism as a performer. I know

789
00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:57.960
certain things that you look at different things differently because

790
00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:02.440
you're a creator rather than just being a consumer mhm.

791
00:47:03.400 --> 00:47:08.519
And I think just based on being a knowledge of history,

792
00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:12.719
and I studied theology a lot through my high school years.

793
00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:15.639
And I've studied all kinds of different religions.

794
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:17.880
That's kind of what I do for the heck of

795
00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:21.599
it really just to kind of understand the world around

796
00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:23.679
me and understand myself.

797
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:24.880
Yeah better.

798
00:47:26.360 --> 00:47:29.480
COVID opened a lot of doors for me since I

799
00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:36.280
wasn't digging. And you know, I started this podcasting right

800
00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:38.719
after things kind of got locked down because I was

801
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:41.639
just starved for human interaction at that point.

802
00:47:41.719 --> 00:47:41.920
Yeah.

803
00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:46.079
Smart, that's smart. Yeah, you know, because there was no

804
00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:46.880
other way to do it.

805
00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:48.800
Yeah, that's smart. I didn't think of that.

806
00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:54.880
So I just kind of said, you know what, I'm

807
00:47:54.880 --> 00:48:00.119
gonna look up information and study different things and and

808
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:04.639
kind of form my own opinion instead of being spoon

809
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:09.480
said whatever rhetoric we're getting on TV or or you know,

810
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:12.800
I don't. I don't do one side of the burger

811
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:15.440
the other anymore. I threw the thing in the dumpsters,

812
00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:19.519
you know, politics and all that ship.

813
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:26.159
That's such a dad thing, I know, right, I threw

814
00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:27.599
the thing of the dumps.

815
00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:35.760
Side of the burger. Ain't that Yeah, that's just kind

816
00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:37.519
of like.

817
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:39.519
It.

818
00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:45.079
It's real, it's real, physical, authmatic.

819
00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:49.679
Yeah.

820
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:53.519
I mean, like I said, I don't go into anything irrational,

821
00:48:54.559 --> 00:48:57.679
but I definitely there's some ship that don't add up

822
00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:02.719
in general about our society in history and things that

823
00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:05.719
have gone on, you know, the master in math and

824
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:09.159
a lot of the time like what, I don't know,

825
00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:13.719
like you could talk about just actually having any power

826
00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:17.800
in voting, argue that at the end of the day,

827
00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:23.960
we're really not. It's an illusion of freedom. You think

828
00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:25.280
in a lot of ways.

829
00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:27.000
When did that get screwed up? You know what I

830
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:34.480
heard in the Epstein files, Yeah, zoron Mndani's mom.

831
00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:37.480
Yeah, was at at the island.

832
00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:40.679
Yeah yeah, she's like at these parties and when you

833
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:41.599
can get thirty one.

834
00:49:41.960 --> 00:49:42.159
Yeah.

835
00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:45.679
If you look at pictures of him and you look

836
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:50.519
at Jeffrey, it's not a far fed no.

837
00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:54.079
Yeah. If you even think side you're.

838
00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:59.079
Using like a profiling type of mentality. Looking at these visuals,

839
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:02.000
you could a argue that there may be some genetic

840
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:05.559
condition there that he might be his old man.

841
00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:08.559
Oh my gosh, dude.

842
00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:11.400
And that's not even something that people have been really

843
00:50:11.679 --> 00:50:13.880
popularizing as far as the topic.

844
00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:19.599
You want this to go viral it? Yeah, title Zorn

845
00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:24.679
Jeffrey Epstein Orni's dad then and then no one said

846
00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:28.239
it yet. Yeah, right, and just posted two faces and

847
00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:31.960
let people discover for themselves. I tell you, damn, that's

848
00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:38.920
gonna be my first Internet debut. That's crazy. I'm looking.

849
00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:40.679
I want to see you.

850
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:44.599
No, I see that nose in the dark.

851
00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:52.920
And you just use basic cop skills on identifying a criminal.

852
00:50:53.199 --> 00:50:54.400
That's crazy.

853
00:50:55.760 --> 00:51:01.320
That because the timeline makes sense when you look at

854
00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:05.559
when his mother was down there, supposedly according to the data,

855
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:09.039
and you look at the profiles and the pictures, it's

856
00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:10.840
there's an argument to be had there.

857
00:51:12.199 --> 00:51:15.679
I can't see his dad now, and.

858
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:21.119
Like, I I don't know, I just I have an

859
00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:27.000
old school mindset. But I don't pretend to ignore when

860
00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:30.239
something stinks interesting.

861
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:32.519
I mean, hey, I like it. I like it as

862
00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:35.760
a good spirit. I like it. Yeah, I'm gonna believe

863
00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:37.519
in it until someone's told you something.

864
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:42.840
You know, Trump perfect example, polarizing figure in and out

865
00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:44.639
of media my whole entire life.

866
00:51:46.079 --> 00:51:47.519
I'm a longtime wrestling fan.

867
00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:51.280
He was involved in that a lot, so my initial

868
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:54.280
impression of him was kind of like, oh, he's just

869
00:51:54.280 --> 00:52:00.719
a blow hard, fucking rich guy. And then at first,

870
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:03.440
you know, I studied everything that he was saying and

871
00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:07.480
looking at some of the economic policies, like not everything

872
00:52:08.199 --> 00:52:10.320
by any means, but a good amount of it made

873
00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:14.519
good business sense for trying to get you know, economies

874
00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:20.920
situated and and what have you. But I don't want

875
00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:23.360
to say I'm an apologist because I hate that one.

876
00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:33.440
Why well, I mean, I made a decision on who

877
00:52:33.480 --> 00:52:36.159
I aligned with politically at the time. With the information

878
00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:40.280
I was given and sometimes you can't even have that

879
00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:44.559
conversation with people, as you say, Trump or somebody else

880
00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:48.639
that's not you know, widely accepted per se.

881
00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:56.039
Conversation Clinton is going, is she's testifying in the Epstein thing.

882
00:52:56.519 --> 00:52:59.840
Yeah, No, I've I haven't, never don't.

883
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:04.079
I've always thought that those two had way too much

884
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:08.440
skeletons in their closet. Even before I even followed politics.

885
00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:10.800
I just had a feeling, you know what I mean.

886
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:15.039
Like sometimes, like you said, you can judge people and

887
00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:17.679
just have a gut feeling about some things, and then

888
00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:20.639
when you act on that and you start to dig

889
00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:24.920
deeper and deeper and deeper, you start to question it, like, Okay,

890
00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:28.440
what's their motivation, what's their why? Why are they doing

891
00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:32.800
these things? Why are they rereading the Clinton Foundation? Why

892
00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:39.360
are they helping? You know, I'm very much a person

893
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:44.280
of the world, but I'm definitely in America first, because

894
00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:45.639
that's the life I live right now.

895
00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:48.400
It's not that I don't care about other people. I do.

896
00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:52.920
Yeah, But I think the only way that we're going

897
00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:54.880
to be any help as a country to the rest

898
00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:56.960
of the world is that we get our own fucking

899
00:53:56.960 --> 00:54:02.159
shit in order and you know, it's so hard to

900
00:54:02.199 --> 00:54:06.679
have that conversation now, m because people just they're so

901
00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:12.440
programmed to think of things as a certain way that

902
00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:19.119
they're not thinking critically. And now where I'm at with

903
00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:25.880
current state of events is I don't trust either side.

904
00:54:26.599 --> 00:54:26.760
Yeah.

905
00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:31.360
I think they're both power hungry. They both want things

906
00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:35.960
for the wrong reasons. They cowt out to their fan

907
00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:41.159
base because that's exactly what it is. And you know,

908
00:54:41.239 --> 00:54:43.559
there's a lot of paintering going on on both sides,

909
00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:50.480
you know, from over religious standpoint, I don't even know

910
00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:51.880
what the hell I am anymore.

911
00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:58.760
It does feel like the right like it's kind of

912
00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:01.119
losing right now, like it was when Trump won the

913
00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:06.239
second time. He had like a lot of momentum. Yeah,

914
00:55:06.440 --> 00:55:09.199
and like the country was like yeah, like everything like

915
00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:11.199
it was just aligned and it was like the how

916
00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:13.119
I think it was all all three houses.

917
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:18.679
But after a while, I've started to see where the

918
00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:21.400
beers were actually.

919
00:55:21.079 --> 00:55:23.159
Pointing to what do you mean? What do you mean?

920
00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:29.920
Well, I feel like, you know, trying to figure out

921
00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:34.320
the best way to explain this. So you take Trump

922
00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:39.039
being you know, oh, I won the election that was fraudulent,

923
00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:43.760
all this kind of shit, Okay, at first glance, that's

924
00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:47.679
a sore loser saying I wanted to win and I

925
00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:53.719
didn't like this. Yeah, and now we see independent journalists

926
00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:58.639
like Nixt Shirley come around and say, guys, there is

927
00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:03.079
some discrepancy. He's not completely full of shit if you

928
00:56:03.199 --> 00:56:04.280
look at the facts.

929
00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:04.960
And the numbers.

930
00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:06.360
Yeah.

931
00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:09.360
So I try to look at everything way more objectively

932
00:56:09.400 --> 00:56:10.239
than I ever happened.

933
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:13.599
Josh, I'm gonna say this right now. We agree in

934
00:56:13.639 --> 00:56:17.480
a lot more than you think. No, I bet you're anything.

935
00:56:18.320 --> 00:56:23.400
It's and I try looking from both sides though. Yeah,

936
00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:28.239
And I I just remember, like talking about the band right,

937
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:32.400
my life with a band straight up, Like I feel

938
00:56:32.440 --> 00:56:37.559
an injustice occurred when my band broke up. It was weird.

939
00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:39.559
It felt like God broke it up. It felt like

940
00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:46.960
God took his thumb. It just popped a temple. And yeah, wait, why, Well,

941
00:56:47.079 --> 00:56:47.440
at the.

942
00:56:47.440 --> 00:56:51.280
Time when my last band broke up, you know, we

943
00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:53.840
were making some really good headway and we had some

944
00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:54.480
really good.

945
00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:58.280
What happens, right, you make your best, it's like some

946
00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:00.199
what the hell happened us?

947
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:00.440
Up?

948
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:01.079
Yeah?

949
00:57:01.159 --> 00:57:03.360
Why does yours break up or blow up?

950
00:57:05.599 --> 00:57:09.960
There was some I mean, I'm not going to name

951
00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:12.239
any names. But there was some infidelity going.

952
00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:14.559
On mothers and sons.

953
00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:21.119
Oh, that's incessan infidelity, meaning it was bad.

954
00:57:21.239 --> 00:57:22.280
Did you have girls in your band?

955
00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:26.239
No, but we had girls around us, and some of

956
00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:29.000
us were in committed relationships.

957
00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:30.480
They're cheating on their girls.

958
00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:34.119
Some of that happened. Some of it was.

959
00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:35.199
It was Mike, wasn't it.

960
00:57:37.719 --> 00:57:37.880
Wait?

961
00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:39.280
Was there a guy named Mike and your band?

962
00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:50.119
Originally there was a little teacher now and he's happily married. Yeah, So,

963
00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:53.559
I mean, you know, and I think that was also

964
00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:57.719
again part of growing up, like people finding themselves and

965
00:57:57.760 --> 00:57:59.400
figuring out what they want out of life.

966
00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:01.559
We're all in our twenties. We didn't know what the

967
00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:02.239
fuck we were doing.

968
00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:04.519
We're just we had one goal in mind, and that

969
00:58:04.639 --> 00:58:06.400
was to be the best of what we were doing

970
00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:10.800
and to open with and share the stage with our heroes.

971
00:58:12.800 --> 00:58:16.079
And you know, did we fully achieve that. No, But

972
00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:19.519
we got a pretty decent roster of bands on our

973
00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:23.000
resume that we've played with and spent time with and

974
00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:29.599
keep in touch with even now. Like back then, in

975
00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:33.239
the month of September of twenty twelve, I played with

976
00:58:34.039 --> 00:58:39.119
Buck Cherry, Puddle of Mud, Powerman, Flat thousand and Blackstone

977
00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:39.679
Cherry and.

978
00:58:39.639 --> 00:58:40.719
Of course of Weekend.

979
00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:44.400
Wow, that's crazy, And those at the time were all

980
00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:50.719
still pretty well to And then a few years later

981
00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:54.000
when we started to do comeback stuff, we opened for

982
00:58:54.280 --> 00:58:59.199
Dope and Static X after died. Yeah, so you know,

983
00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:02.679
to U was having fun, having people enjoy what we're

984
00:59:02.679 --> 00:59:10.480
doing and feeling like we earned our place in that spot.

985
00:59:11.519 --> 00:59:16.440
That was really enough. Yeah, and it still hasn't changed

986
00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:16.760
for me.

987
00:59:17.679 --> 00:59:17.880
Yeah.

988
00:59:18.360 --> 00:59:21.360
Same, you know, I know I'm not going to the

989
00:59:21.480 --> 00:59:24.519
days of the rock star here in Dawn per Se.

990
00:59:24.800 --> 00:59:27.599
What does that mean by I mean.

991
00:59:29.039 --> 00:59:31.199
Back when rock and roll was on the same level

992
00:59:31.199 --> 00:59:35.920
as Hollywood. Yeah, and and now I want nothing to

993
00:59:35.960 --> 00:59:36.400
do with that.

994
00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:40.440
Well, yeah, because if you can fuck up kids, then

995
00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:43.239
you'll be in Hollywood. Rock and roll used to be

996
00:59:43.239 --> 00:59:45.280
the best way to do it. That it became rape

997
00:59:45.760 --> 00:59:47.199
and I don't even know what it is now. Now

998
00:59:47.199 --> 00:59:50.559
it's only fans. Now, it's just like give them just

999
00:59:50.679 --> 00:59:54.440
let's cut out all the middleman and let's just everybody

1000
00:59:54.599 --> 01:00:00.280
everyone's a hooker, crazy, Yeah, I mean musically, it's like.

1001
01:00:01.719 --> 01:00:03.519
A lot of the stuff that we talk about in

1002
01:00:03.639 --> 01:00:06.000
dead Man's Trigger is a lot of what you and

1003
01:00:06.039 --> 01:00:11.360
I just talked about seeing through the bullshit, calling stuff out.

1004
01:00:11.159 --> 01:00:11.760
For what it is.

1005
01:00:12.440 --> 01:00:17.079
Yeah, telling people not to be cheap and you know,

1006
01:00:18.119 --> 01:00:19.639
don't bring into coolly.

1007
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:19.920
Kind of thing.

1008
01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:22.800
Yeah, I'm trying to think you guys. Are you guys

1009
01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:23.440
on Instagram?

1010
01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:30.440
Yeah, it's uh, got so many handles and eggs.

1011
01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:36.840
Here, dead Man's Trigger Official. Yes, I love this. I

1012
01:00:36.920 --> 01:00:41.119
love this, and they got the podcasts far beyond driven.

1013
01:00:41.880 --> 01:00:45.079
The pans covered good Buddies of mind.

1014
01:00:47.800 --> 01:00:50.800
So yeah, we we played up in Your Handshire in

1015
01:00:50.840 --> 01:00:53.320
December and then we took a couple of months off

1016
01:00:53.320 --> 01:00:54.000
to finished up.

1017
01:00:53.960 --> 01:00:55.400
Writing and recorded and all that.

1018
01:00:55.719 --> 01:00:55.920
Yeah.

1019
01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:03.960
Yeah, it turned out to be a good experience and

1020
01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:06.599
we're just having the ball doing we're doing. Yeah.

1021
01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:09.519
Do you think the cover? Can you hear me?

1022
01:01:09.559 --> 01:01:09.800
All right?

1023
01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:12.519
It is too loud in my background? Okay, it was

1024
01:01:12.559 --> 01:01:12.920
too loud.

1025
01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:13.199
I mean.

1026
01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:18.719
Is do you think the tribute bands have better pull?

1027
01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:22.119
What have you seen with like the show, like one

1028
01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:24.599
of the best shows you play nowadays that require a

1029
01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:26.320
lot least amount of work to fill.

1030
01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:32.039
I mean, I think for original bands right now, it's

1031
01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:35.719
hard to gauge and draw if anyone Yeah, well, because

1032
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:36.840
everything's so sporadic.

1033
01:01:37.519 --> 01:01:40.760
Yeah, but cover bands. It seems like the bar scene.

1034
01:01:42.039 --> 01:01:44.599
The most part, most bars are only spending money on

1035
01:01:44.840 --> 01:01:45.559
cover band.

1036
01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:50.880
And paying them listen this cover band than this tribute band.

1037
01:01:51.559 --> 01:01:53.360
Okay, so trivia band, So.

1038
01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:58.239
What is it? Because you can open for a tribute band, right.

1039
01:01:58.159 --> 01:02:01.679
And and basically with the format is turning into yeah

1040
01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:05.039
instead of one of the other. It's becoming a collective effort.

1041
01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:08.840
So we're working on a couple of upcoming shows this

1042
01:02:08.920 --> 01:02:11.159
year that are gonna be kind of a fifty to

1043
01:02:11.199 --> 01:02:16.280
fifty deal where we get two or three tribute bands and.

1044
01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:18.199
Then a couple of originals to open up, so that

1045
01:02:18.239 --> 01:02:19.039
we have a full.

1046
01:02:18.960 --> 01:02:24.320
Row two or three tribute bands, two or three tribute

1047
01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:27.239
bands at top at the most. That's so many. All right,

1048
01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:29.800
well we got to talk about this. Yeah, So I

1049
01:02:29.920 --> 01:02:33.960
made a tribute band. Really Okay, I made a Primis

1050
01:02:33.960 --> 01:02:40.000
tribute band. No ship, my drummer, my guitar, I mean,

1051
01:02:40.039 --> 01:02:43.039
my bass player. They do Primus yeah, and I was

1052
01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:44.639
a guitar player and I said, I don't even have

1053
01:02:44.679 --> 01:02:47.880
a time to do this shit. Yeah, and they just

1054
01:02:47.960 --> 01:02:51.000
love Primus like I don't really care for Primis. Yeah,

1055
01:02:51.039 --> 01:02:53.920
but it's It's just it's a business play. It's leverage

1056
01:02:54.159 --> 01:02:56.440
a big band name and open fronts. That's what I

1057
01:02:56.480 --> 01:02:58.760
think is the best way to get original bands. Put

1058
01:02:58.800 --> 01:03:02.880
it headliner, Alison Chains whatever, just oh, I'll go see

1059
01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:06.119
Alison change sure, like yeah, and what you want to do.

1060
01:03:07.159 --> 01:03:13.920
My opinion is this was my whole plan. If I

1061
01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:17.480
did it this way, I need content. I should well

1062
01:03:17.679 --> 01:03:19.079
if I were to play shows, this is.

1063
01:03:19.000 --> 01:03:19.360
What I do.

1064
01:03:20.159 --> 01:03:21.840
I'm gonna move real quick. They gotta get out of

1065
01:03:21.880 --> 01:03:23.639
this room.

1066
01:03:23.679 --> 01:03:26.039
Well, well, Jason's moving, guys.

1067
01:03:26.079 --> 01:03:29.559
Make sure to check out well that Unsistered dot com

1068
01:03:29.559 --> 01:03:34.360
slash sponsors. We've got a handful of folks that we

1069
01:03:34.599 --> 01:03:38.400
post our stuff and whatnot. Trying to work on developing

1070
01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:42.440
that uh facet of the show. But shout out the

1071
01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:50.239
Bulldog or blame the guitars, Woody's Barbershop and Ramo Remodeling.

1072
01:03:50.599 --> 01:03:52.840
Check out on welldoguncentered dot com.

1073
01:03:53.239 --> 01:03:54.199
Ramo Remodeling.

1074
01:03:54.559 --> 01:04:00.000
Yeah, it's my my cousin's husband faily business.

1075
01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:01.719
So what do you do it at the hour mark?

1076
01:04:01.760 --> 01:04:02.639
You start sponsoring?

1077
01:04:04.320 --> 01:04:08.440
No, I mean I've been trying to get anybody that's

1078
01:04:08.519 --> 01:04:11.920
willing to invest per se in advertising with us. Yeah,

1079
01:04:12.199 --> 01:04:15.400
and that's really hard to do nowadays unless you have

1080
01:04:16.199 --> 01:04:18.880
a big enough following. It's kind of six to one

1081
01:04:18.880 --> 01:04:20.199
and a half a dozen in the other you want

1082
01:04:20.199 --> 01:04:23.800
to get advertisers so that more people are looking at

1083
01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:28.119
your show, but it costs money to run the show,

1084
01:04:28.960 --> 01:04:31.199
so you need to advertise it to help to further cost.

1085
01:04:31.519 --> 01:04:33.239
How much money does it cost to run the show?

1086
01:04:33.480 --> 01:04:37.480
It costs me about I'd say rough numbers. It's a

1087
01:04:37.519 --> 01:04:41.320
fifty dollars membership in my distribution to get it.

1088
01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:45.880
On all the streaming platforms a month. A month. Yeah,

1089
01:04:47.480 --> 01:04:49.159
so it's cost me fifty bucks a month.

1090
01:04:52.840 --> 01:04:57.440
So I've debated, how are you hanging up doing this

1091
01:04:57.559 --> 01:05:01.039
because it's not cost effective? But I feel like the

1092
01:05:01.159 --> 01:05:04.159
value in the conversation is almost just as important.

1093
01:05:04.079 --> 01:05:07.440
Let's make it cost effective right now. Let's get your

1094
01:05:07.440 --> 01:05:10.280
money back right now. Let's make you a millionaire.

1095
01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:10.760
Right now.

1096
01:05:11.119 --> 01:05:14.000
What I'm about to say is about to make you rich. Okay, ready,

1097
01:05:14.199 --> 01:05:17.719
I'm ready, I just cat that's not well, I don't know.

1098
01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:23.039
Let's say the all right, this is my plan with

1099
01:05:23.159 --> 01:05:28.400
the band tribute Ben with an original band.

1100
01:05:28.760 --> 01:05:28.920
Yea.

1101
01:05:29.320 --> 01:05:32.199
So this was the old strad this is the social

1102
01:05:32.280 --> 01:05:35.280
media strategy ready. If you get good at social media,

1103
01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:38.679
this is what you do. You my band sounds like,

1104
01:05:38.760 --> 01:05:43.000
let's just say Lincoln Park. I target ads. It's hard.

1105
01:05:43.119 --> 01:05:49.320
I create content that targets Lincoln Park fans. You like

1106
01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:52.599
Lincoln Park, you might like my band, right, easy logic.

1107
01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:59.079
If my band sounds like Lincoln Park and you just

1108
01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:01.159
and those are your leads, those are engaged leads. You're

1109
01:06:01.199 --> 01:06:03.280
just trying to get you because they have a million fans,

1110
01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:04.760
So you have a you have a pool of a

1111
01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:07.639
million you can scratch into. You just target them, target them,

1112
01:06:07.679 --> 01:06:11.559
target them with content, content, content or ads, ads, ads

1113
01:06:11.599 --> 01:06:19.400
and the music. But you can do that in real life.

1114
01:06:19.599 --> 01:06:21.760
So what I would say is if your band sounds

1115
01:06:21.800 --> 01:06:24.039
like Lincoln Park, you find a Lincoln Park tribute band,

1116
01:06:24.840 --> 01:06:26.800
and then everyone that goes to see a Lincoln Park

1117
01:06:26.840 --> 01:06:31.360
tribute band really likes Lincoln Park. So the people that

1118
01:06:31.400 --> 01:06:35.119
are in that room when your band's opening for them,

1119
01:06:35.440 --> 01:06:38.840
you know, you'll give them that Hey, there's a local

1120
01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:42.599
new band that sounds that's like, it's the same concept.

1121
01:06:42.639 --> 01:06:45.079
It's like going to the movie theater. Yeah, and they

1122
01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:49.079
show you the ads before the real movie. They're like,

1123
01:06:49.079 --> 01:06:51.840
if you like you, you came to see Bridge to Terabithia.

1124
01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:53.920
Have you seen lying the Witch and the wardrobe of

1125
01:06:53.920 --> 01:06:56.519
the book, like they show you all the ads. And

1126
01:06:57.280 --> 01:07:00.480
that's that's what I would do because you get more people, Yeah,

1127
01:07:00.519 --> 01:07:05.079
and you get targeted smarter fan bases. Yeah, and so

1128
01:07:05.159 --> 01:07:07.519
that's why I think the tribute band's most valuable. Now, further,

1129
01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:12.920
I would make my band. I would add a tribute

1130
01:07:12.920 --> 01:07:16.000
band to my band's goals.

1131
01:07:16.280 --> 01:07:16.760
Yeah.

1132
01:07:17.079 --> 01:07:18.920
So like you're you just said, what does your band

1133
01:07:18.920 --> 01:07:19.360
sound like?

1134
01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:23.320
We're kind of like static eggs Lama guard.

1135
01:07:23.599 --> 01:07:27.360
Okay, perfect, So you you literally this is this these

1136
01:07:27.559 --> 01:07:30.119
think about. Those are two goals you just said. You

1137
01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:33.639
can literally you're gonna get bad. This is how you

1138
01:07:33.639 --> 01:07:35.920
get better your instrument too, right, you learn other songs

1139
01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:43.719
right simply. But at first you outsource the tribute bands.

1140
01:07:44.719 --> 01:07:47.400
And like any business, you outsource everything until you can

1141
01:07:47.440 --> 01:07:49.599
do it in house. Once you can do it in house,

1142
01:07:50.320 --> 01:07:53.039
it's all you. Right. Then you take the money. You

1143
01:07:53.079 --> 01:07:54.880
don't have to pay them three hundred bucks to do

1144
01:07:54.920 --> 01:07:59.000
the gig. Yeah, and the crowd draw the idea is

1145
01:07:59.039 --> 01:08:01.519
their band probably get a crowddraw just because it's the

1146
01:08:01.599 --> 01:08:05.119
band and not the actual tribute band. It's the it's

1147
01:08:05.119 --> 01:08:08.239
the like Lincoln Park or what was the band you said?

1148
01:08:08.239 --> 01:08:09.960
I'm sorry static.

1149
01:08:09.719 --> 01:08:13.239
X, static X static X. Yeah, so static X I

1150
01:08:13.239 --> 01:08:16.119
haven't heard them in a while, but no one's done

1151
01:08:16.119 --> 01:08:18.479
the static X. How many static X tribute bands have

1152
01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:22.680
been around? Super niche? Right, that's what I like. Like,

1153
01:08:22.760 --> 01:08:25.520
I love a band like static X. It's big enough.

1154
01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:28.079
I mean, how many monthly listeners is static X? I

1155
01:08:28.079 --> 01:08:31.920
will see And that's not really a metric, but like,

1156
01:08:31.960 --> 01:08:36.000
I just want to know for my own So, like Josh,

1157
01:08:36.079 --> 01:08:39.319
like you know once, how many songs you they have

1158
01:08:39.399 --> 01:08:41.920
two million viewers? Like I love a band called brand New.

1159
01:08:41.960 --> 01:08:44.199
I don't know if you know that band. Yeah, okay,

1160
01:08:44.640 --> 01:08:47.760
so like they have a million listeners too, super niche,

1161
01:08:47.800 --> 01:08:50.760
but big band a million? I think a million listeners

1162
01:08:50.800 --> 01:08:52.960
might be a really good mark. A million monthly listener

1163
01:08:52.960 --> 01:08:55.680
is kind of a gauge of what a good band is. Now,

1164
01:08:55.720 --> 01:08:58.319
if you can get find that band that your whole

1165
01:08:58.359 --> 01:09:01.399
band will will like you know, you already have your

1166
01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:04.199
album done, you already have your set lists, right, how

1167
01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:05.720
do you get people to come to the door. Don't

1168
01:09:05.760 --> 01:09:09.800
put it as a dead man's trigger show, have a

1169
01:09:09.840 --> 01:09:14.000
better headline a static X show and then you can play.

1170
01:09:14.039 --> 01:09:17.079
You can tour Worcester County. You just tour places that

1171
01:09:17.119 --> 01:09:21.479
aren't saturated Worcester County, Bristol County, implement. I tore our counties.

1172
01:09:21.560 --> 01:09:27.720
I tore around here. And I think you'd make more money.

1173
01:09:27.760 --> 01:09:29.720
I think you'd meet more people. I think your band

1174
01:09:29.720 --> 01:09:31.840
would get more listeners. And I think you just have

1175
01:09:31.920 --> 01:09:35.000
a better time. And you repeat that that's what I

1176
01:09:35.039 --> 01:09:37.119
would do. You know, That's what I'm kind of doing.

1177
01:09:37.920 --> 01:09:41.720
But Primus isn't kind of legos. But like you know,

1178
01:09:41.840 --> 01:09:44.560
like that was the logic. We'll still We'll still open

1179
01:09:44.560 --> 01:09:46.560
for it right now. We'll open for any tribute band.

1180
01:09:46.600 --> 01:09:48.760
Like that's that's on my to do list. Just find

1181
01:09:48.800 --> 01:09:52.159
tribute bands to open for so I might connect with

1182
01:09:52.199 --> 01:09:58.079
you and say, hey, yeah together the uh well, so

1183
01:09:58.159 --> 01:10:00.079
what I would also do? Let me tell you this,

1184
01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:02.880
this one, this one hurts. I have a list of

1185
01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:04.960
a thousand people that want to come to a show. Right,

1186
01:10:06.079 --> 01:10:08.920
if you have a list of a thousand people, we

1187
01:10:09.039 --> 01:10:12.319
don't you work on your list. I work on my list.

1188
01:10:12.399 --> 01:10:15.880
We combine. We say, Josh one for one, I'll give you,

1189
01:10:15.880 --> 01:10:19.640
you get one, I get one you trade. We just

1190
01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:22.920
doubled our list in a second. That's a real estate

1191
01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:25.359
move in context.

1192
01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:25.920
Yeah.

1193
01:10:26.720 --> 01:10:32.479
Anyways, sorry, that's a That wasn't the best clip, but

1194
01:10:32.600 --> 01:10:34.680
if you want to clip to advertise your show, that

1195
01:10:34.760 --> 01:10:37.319
might help. But that was probably one of the most

1196
01:10:37.399 --> 01:10:40.399
valuable things I've said. Maybe I don't know, Actually I'm cocky.

1197
01:10:40.680 --> 01:10:42.680
You you turned that, you know, that's whatever.

1198
01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:46.159
I'm just I think it makes sense, you know. It's

1199
01:10:46.600 --> 01:10:50.479
the format is just constantly changing. Okay, get two duncans.

1200
01:10:52.600 --> 01:10:57.319
I had three. I threw the other one out. But

1201
01:10:57.840 --> 01:10:58.600
it is changing.

1202
01:10:58.960 --> 01:11:04.039
Yeah, it's it's definitely changing and trying to adapt. I mean,

1203
01:11:05.399 --> 01:11:09.520
you know, AI is definitely controversial right now. I think

1204
01:11:10.199 --> 01:11:15.399
when it comes well, it's controversial in the sense when

1205
01:11:15.399 --> 01:11:18.479
it comes to art. I think a lot of people

1206
01:11:18.800 --> 01:11:20.720
I've just seen a lot of people bitching about it.

1207
01:11:20.960 --> 01:11:25.199
Yeah, but you know.

1208
01:11:25.239 --> 01:11:29.399
For anybody that wants to appear professional and don't have

1209
01:11:29.439 --> 01:11:32.199
the money to pay for that kind of shit, like,

1210
01:11:32.319 --> 01:11:36.920
I can't fault them for doing that, but make it

1211
01:11:36.920 --> 01:11:38.359
a goal to be able.

1212
01:11:38.119 --> 01:11:43.560
To pay for what have you. You know. So, I

1213
01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:46.239
mean I don't use very much AI and and anything

1214
01:11:46.279 --> 01:11:46.600
I do.

1215
01:11:47.960 --> 01:11:50.880
At most I'm like it's like thinking of a background

1216
01:11:50.920 --> 01:11:54.640
that's copywritten or something like that. Like it's hard to

1217
01:11:54.640 --> 01:11:59.520
find unique images that don't have some kind of labels them,

1218
01:12:01.439 --> 01:12:08.359
so that comes hand because it's technically still original. Yeah, music,

1219
01:12:08.399 --> 01:12:11.239
I'm not a fan of. I think that takes the

1220
01:12:11.279 --> 01:12:12.279
soul out of everything.

1221
01:12:13.279 --> 01:12:13.680
Really.

1222
01:12:14.199 --> 01:12:20.119
It's it's okay for like sketching out ideas for a song.

1223
01:12:20.159 --> 01:12:22.640
I don't think that's a problem. Sure, but I think

1224
01:12:22.720 --> 01:12:25.399
anything that's made from the ground up and there's no

1225
01:12:26.199 --> 01:12:30.680
human factor, yeah, I think it loses something if it's

1226
01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:31.560
all AI.

1227
01:12:31.279 --> 01:12:33.960
And it's not even Yeah, like I think anyone gets

1228
01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:37.159
behind that, But I just don't. I love the people

1229
01:12:37.159 --> 01:12:41.479
that does it because I'm like, dude, you use chat ebt, like, yeah,

1230
01:12:42.479 --> 01:12:44.840
you talk to it, it tells you something stupid, You

1231
01:12:44.920 --> 01:12:46.960
refine it, you go back and forth, and then at

1232
01:12:46.960 --> 01:12:48.520
the end of the day you make your own decision

1233
01:12:49.119 --> 01:12:50.720
on what you're gonna do with it. Like it's not

1234
01:12:50.760 --> 01:12:54.560
completely like just copy and paste stuff. But like, yeah, no,

1235
01:12:54.600 --> 01:12:57.319
I agree. I haven't. Yeah, I haven't used it for

1236
01:12:57.439 --> 01:12:59.560
song right now, though I don't know what it would help.

1237
01:13:00.439 --> 01:13:02.680
I know a couple of people that have been experimenting

1238
01:13:02.720 --> 01:13:03.039
with it.

1239
01:13:03.520 --> 01:13:09.680
Yeah, more in the symphonic metal type of community. But yeah,

1240
01:13:11.840 --> 01:13:14.600
you know, I think if you can't come up with

1241
01:13:14.680 --> 01:13:17.520
it yourself, or if you're trying to figure out something

1242
01:13:17.520 --> 01:13:18.520
that you're stuck on.

1243
01:13:19.359 --> 01:13:21.039
Just don't say anything.

1244
01:13:21.239 --> 01:13:23.039
Yeah exactly what you gotta do.

1245
01:13:23.520 --> 01:13:26.159
Figure it out and make it your own, right, But

1246
01:13:26.239 --> 01:13:28.840
doesn't it give you a bunch of like options though

1247
01:13:28.960 --> 01:13:29.359
for it?

1248
01:13:29.439 --> 01:13:31.800
Like like if I had like an idea and I

1249
01:13:31.880 --> 01:13:39.760
was like, like I was stuck and the like, I

1250
01:13:39.760 --> 01:13:41.600
feel like I'd say, all right, I'm stuck here, what

1251
01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:43.119
can we do? And if AI was like, you do

1252
01:13:43.199 --> 01:13:46.600
a B or C? Yeah, and it shows B right?

1253
01:13:47.399 --> 01:13:49.439
Is that bad? I don't know.

1254
01:13:49.600 --> 01:13:50.880
I mean, it's arguable.

1255
01:13:51.000 --> 01:13:54.039
I don't see any harm in it, but it can

1256
01:13:54.119 --> 01:13:57.840
be debated, Yeah, just slights for damn sure, everything can

1257
01:13:57.880 --> 01:13:59.119
nowadays be debated.

1258
01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:05.039
It's looking crazy all right? Yeah? Man, No, I think

1259
01:14:05.079 --> 01:14:08.239
it's how many songs you guys got.

1260
01:14:08.079 --> 01:14:13.600
Out right now including the old demo, probably about a dozen.

1261
01:14:14.880 --> 01:14:16.399
That's a lot of music, dude.

1262
01:14:16.640 --> 01:14:17.159
Yeah.

1263
01:14:17.560 --> 01:14:19.239
Do you guys make any content yourself?

1264
01:14:20.199 --> 01:14:21.800
Pretty much? All of it? Yeah?

1265
01:14:22.039 --> 01:14:24.600
How much? What's your content schedule? Does that look like?

1266
01:14:25.840 --> 01:14:28.199
I'm still kind of figuring out the best way to

1267
01:14:28.840 --> 01:14:32.439
make that more efficient. So it's kind of like, you know,

1268
01:14:32.520 --> 01:14:36.319
I do it on my days off from booking, or

1269
01:14:36.960 --> 01:14:40.960
you know, I try to fit it into my weekend plans.

1270
01:14:41.439 --> 01:14:43.680
You know, I do all the lyric videos for us

1271
01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:45.920
on YouTube and shit like that.

1272
01:14:46.960 --> 01:14:48.359
You about doing short form content?

1273
01:14:50.359 --> 01:14:52.880
Not yet, but I'm trying to figure that out.

1274
01:14:53.359 --> 01:14:54.479
What are you trying to figure out?

1275
01:14:55.520 --> 01:15:00.119
Well, just like you know, what what makes sense to

1276
01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:05.800
used for content and also getting everybody else involved in

1277
01:15:07.039 --> 01:15:10.319
ideas and whatnot. So we're kind of brainstorming things at

1278
01:15:10.319 --> 01:15:15.640
this point and then just trying to get make content

1279
01:15:15.640 --> 01:15:18.359
when we're at gigs and record us just.

1280
01:15:18.359 --> 01:15:21.119
Goofing around and.

1281
01:15:20.239 --> 01:15:24.560
Shit like that, trying to do more behind the scenes

1282
01:15:24.560 --> 01:15:31.199
shit mm hmm. But yeah, I'm still kind of trying

1283
01:15:31.199 --> 01:15:32.800
to figure out what the best approach is.

1284
01:15:36.560 --> 01:15:39.359
We are going to be recording a music video in March.

1285
01:15:39.800 --> 01:15:42.479
Let's figure out. I'm gonna give you my content strategy

1286
01:15:42.560 --> 01:15:44.560
right now. You want it?

1287
01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:46.239
Sure?

1288
01:15:46.760 --> 01:15:48.039
Two tiktoks a song?

1289
01:15:49.000 --> 01:15:49.359
Okay?

1290
01:15:50.479 --> 01:15:52.479
You guys, Well, do you guys need anything right now?

1291
01:15:52.520 --> 01:15:53.760
Do you have like a big goal.

1292
01:15:56.119 --> 01:15:56.520
Right now?

1293
01:15:56.520 --> 01:15:59.239
We're just trying to put out the best songs we

1294
01:15:59.319 --> 01:16:04.640
can yeah, and we can't. We're still kind of building

1295
01:16:04.680 --> 01:16:06.000
that fan base again.

1296
01:16:06.520 --> 01:16:10.920
Okay, zero, you got all the music. Oh, you got

1297
01:16:10.960 --> 01:16:11.600
all the music.

1298
01:16:11.880 --> 01:16:12.319
You're good.

1299
01:16:12.720 --> 01:16:17.439
Yeah, you're just in the game now forever. You will

1300
01:16:17.479 --> 01:16:20.920
just make music forever and rinse and repeat the process

1301
01:16:20.960 --> 01:16:24.840
and refine until you find something that's better and more unique,

1302
01:16:24.840 --> 01:16:30.960
and you just keep improving. Right, So, we were trying

1303
01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:34.479
to do a full show first. So we haven't made

1304
01:16:34.560 --> 01:16:38.520
music first content. We've made band first content.

1305
01:16:39.479 --> 01:16:40.239
Okay, what is that? Like?

1306
01:16:42.760 --> 01:16:47.439
Just video like I did. It took thirty minutes. I said, everyone,

1307
01:16:47.439 --> 01:16:51.600
get on the couch, look candid, look happy, have fun.

1308
01:16:52.000 --> 01:16:54.399
We started fucking with each other. We start throwing balls

1309
01:16:54.439 --> 01:16:59.600
and started swapping out people putting throwing guitar like we're

1310
01:16:59.680 --> 01:17:03.119
just The camera was on a cry pond. We filmed

1311
01:17:03.319 --> 01:17:08.239
like fifteen second clips, a bunch of different things. I

1312
01:17:08.359 --> 01:17:12.840
used that footage for four months. I made probably eight

1313
01:17:12.960 --> 01:17:18.520
hundred tiktoks with it. That to get us two thousand followers.

1314
01:17:19.319 --> 01:17:21.359
That's not that much. That's really not that much, but

1315
01:17:21.399 --> 01:17:23.840
it was. It took me thirty minutes to film, and

1316
01:17:23.880 --> 01:17:30.000
then it took me thirty minutes a day to like upload.

1317
01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:32.880
But it also gave me like a bunch of skills

1318
01:17:33.159 --> 01:17:37.079
in it and understanding, so it's pretty valuable. And it

1319
01:17:37.079 --> 01:17:40.640
gave me seven hundred phone numbers at the time or

1320
01:17:40.680 --> 01:17:47.079
five hundred, so I own the phone numbers, right, Yeah. Anyways,

1321
01:17:47.279 --> 01:17:50.960
but we were The reason I'm saying that is because

1322
01:17:50.960 --> 01:17:53.439
we weren't focused on promoting our music. We're focused on

1323
01:17:53.479 --> 01:17:57.479
promoting our band and our show. Right. We only have

1324
01:17:57.600 --> 01:18:00.520
one ask at a time. That's an important thing, one thing.

1325
01:18:00.560 --> 01:18:02.079
That's why I's like, what is your one thing? You're like,

1326
01:18:02.119 --> 01:18:03.000
we're just doing music?

1327
01:18:04.399 --> 01:18:04.840
Mm hmm.

1328
01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:15.319
When you when you just do music videos, really easy

1329
01:18:15.399 --> 01:18:19.000
music videos post four a day, four to eight. If

1330
01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:22.000
you could get eight to day eight tiktoks, you figure

1331
01:18:22.000 --> 01:18:25.640
out how to do that, m you'll get something. You'll learn.

1332
01:18:26.039 --> 01:18:28.239
Just focus on learning and doing a lot because you're

1333
01:18:28.239 --> 01:18:30.800
gonna be really bad at it at the beginning. You're

1334
01:18:30.840 --> 01:18:33.000
gonna be really bad and that's just the truth, right,

1335
01:18:33.439 --> 01:18:35.760
and then you get better each day, each day you

1336
01:18:35.760 --> 01:18:39.479
get better. What the hook? What do any understand about hook?

1337
01:18:39.520 --> 01:18:43.000
What's a good hook? What's a bad hook? Like, there's

1338
01:18:43.079 --> 01:18:45.720
so much it to learn. I would just focus on

1339
01:18:45.800 --> 01:18:48.319
making music videos and don't overthink it too. And just

1340
01:18:48.359 --> 01:18:51.920
when you guys are all together at band practice, film it. Yeah,

1341
01:18:53.359 --> 01:18:55.920
and you'll be surprised. And then you copy other people.

1342
01:18:56.039 --> 01:18:58.359
So look at my page over a point. But then

1343
01:18:58.399 --> 01:19:02.279
you copy other people's talks, right, and they go and

1344
01:19:02.479 --> 01:19:04.560
copy the ones that go viral. You figure out why

1345
01:19:04.600 --> 01:19:09.520
they went viral, and you know it's pretty replicable. But

1346
01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:12.039
you just got to do the work of filming. So

1347
01:19:12.079 --> 01:19:16.159
you're already doing the songwriting. You're doing fifty percent of it. Yeah, literally,

1348
01:19:16.399 --> 01:19:18.800
that's only fifty percent. You're literally if you if you

1349
01:19:18.840 --> 01:19:21.960
did the best song ever, you'd still fail on a

1350
01:19:22.000 --> 01:19:25.239
school test because you get a fifty percent, right, you

1351
01:19:25.279 --> 01:19:30.319
didn't market it makes sense, yeah, my opinion. But good

1352
01:19:30.319 --> 01:19:33.319
songwriting's good in marketing. Like the better the more songs

1353
01:19:33.359 --> 01:19:35.920
you do, the better you get a songwriting. More content

1354
01:19:36.000 --> 01:19:38.359
you do, the better you get a content. So you're

1355
01:19:38.399 --> 01:19:42.279
just getting better and better each time and learning. And

1356
01:19:42.520 --> 01:19:44.600
everyone wants to get in shape in the JIT, but

1357
01:19:44.680 --> 01:19:49.439
who actually does exactly? So executing, like, how do you execute?

1358
01:19:49.640 --> 01:19:51.960
How do you execute? As a team? You got your

1359
01:19:52.000 --> 01:19:54.640
other job you're doing, how do you execute? Like that?

1360
01:19:54.640 --> 01:19:56.720
That's what makes a good leader to me, is like, yo,

1361
01:19:56.800 --> 01:19:58.079
who gets the results done?

1362
01:19:58.359 --> 01:20:01.199
Yeah, that's the thing, is like I get I get

1363
01:20:01.239 --> 01:20:01.880
shipped done.

1364
01:20:02.279 --> 01:20:03.039
She gets shipped done.

1365
01:20:03.119 --> 01:20:05.520
Guys, it's really and.

1366
01:20:05.600 --> 01:20:11.159
The podcast on that note, I got shipped, I get

1367
01:20:11.159 --> 01:20:19.079
shipped done. Yeah, that's so funny, fucking phenomenal talking to

1368
01:20:19.119 --> 01:20:21.520
somebody with you know how.

1369
01:20:22.640 --> 01:20:24.199
I didn't mean to cut you off there.

1370
01:20:24.399 --> 01:20:26.399
No, I cut you. I wasn't saying in the point.

1371
01:20:26.399 --> 01:20:27.720
I mean, you can end it if you want, but

1372
01:20:28.359 --> 01:20:31.039
I want to hear what you were saying. But I

1373
01:20:31.560 --> 01:20:35.039
appreciate the opportunity regardless. It was a good time. But

1374
01:20:35.439 --> 01:20:37.560
you did let me talk a lot, so I apologize.

1375
01:20:37.560 --> 01:20:39.760
Well, I mean, that's the way it's supposed to go.

1376
01:20:39.880 --> 01:20:42.760
That's what I'm supposed to do, right to talk. I

1377
01:20:42.800 --> 01:20:46.720
still feel bad talking all the time. Yeah, but I

1378
01:20:46.720 --> 01:20:47.319
appreciate it.

1379
01:20:47.399 --> 01:20:48.239
Man. Yeah.

1380
01:20:48.399 --> 01:20:50.720
No, I'm glad we were chat a little bit more,

1381
01:20:50.760 --> 01:20:53.600
and I know we'll be in touch anyway. Where can

1382
01:20:53.640 --> 01:20:56.439
we find Ronald Pagan online?

1383
01:20:56.479 --> 01:20:56.840
Everywhere?

1384
01:20:57.640 --> 01:20:59.920
Do I want to report promote Ronald Pagan? Is? Do

1385
01:20:59.920 --> 01:21:01.000
I want to promote me?

1386
01:21:02.239 --> 01:21:02.479
Yeah?

1387
01:21:02.840 --> 01:21:04.159
That's if the band breaks up?

1388
01:21:04.640 --> 01:21:07.640
Yeah, okay, Well if it breaks up, where where can

1389
01:21:07.720 --> 01:21:09.159
we fly more about Jason?

1390
01:21:09.239 --> 01:21:11.720
Then where can you find me? I don't even know

1391
01:21:11.760 --> 01:21:16.079
what's someone on social media? Yeah, but Ronald Pagan's easier. Remember,

1392
01:21:16.359 --> 01:21:19.279
so you know that until that band breaks up, just

1393
01:21:19.279 --> 01:21:23.439
fall Ronald Pagan. If it's twenty yeah, we'll see if

1394
01:21:23.439 --> 01:21:27.239
we could get another year out of it. But do

1395
01:21:27.319 --> 01:21:29.279
we should connect about business though? I'm serious?

1396
01:21:29.520 --> 01:21:32.079
No, absolutely, Let's definitely make a plan for sure.

1397
01:21:32.399 --> 01:21:34.600
No, let's like, yeah, well, like we should just talk

1398
01:21:34.680 --> 01:21:36.960
right now and get your shit done because you should

1399
01:21:36.960 --> 01:21:38.840
just be making tiktoks? Do you have to end this

1400
01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:39.359
right now?

1401
01:21:40.119 --> 01:21:42.479
I get a head back, But where do you go?

1402
01:21:43.399 --> 01:21:44.399
I'll just spec to my house.

1403
01:21:45.239 --> 01:21:46.279
You're not at your house right now?

1404
01:21:46.359 --> 01:21:47.760
Yeah, I'm at my studio.

1405
01:21:48.279 --> 01:21:51.479
Josh, All right, listen, you gotta just post content, bro.

1406
01:21:53.239 --> 01:21:56.800
We do one music video, yeah, and then we make

1407
01:21:57.039 --> 01:22:00.640
tiktoks to funnel to the music video. That's all it is, right,

1408
01:22:01.000 --> 01:22:03.680
as many tiktoks that can funnel to one music video

1409
01:22:03.720 --> 01:22:06.520
as you can. Don't focus on the music video, focus

1410
01:22:06.600 --> 01:22:11.319
on the tiktoks. That's it. And put you put you

1411
01:22:11.399 --> 01:22:13.680
in front of the camera, you in the wheelchair with

1412
01:22:13.680 --> 01:22:17.279
the guitar, like, do that ship like that. That's good ship. Okay,

1413
01:22:17.279 --> 01:22:19.319
all right, I'm sorry.

1414
01:22:19.399 --> 01:22:23.199
I'm sorry. That's what we're all about here, each other

1415
01:22:23.520 --> 01:22:23.880
for sure.

1416
01:22:23.960 --> 01:22:24.199
Yeah,