Season 2 Episode 1 Paige Turco

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What's up, guys and gals.
This is another episode of both Ununcensored.

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Welcome to season two. Today,
I have a special guest with me.

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You might know her from the Teenage
Meeting Ninja, Turtles Movies two and three,

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as well as Netflix art show The
one hundred and several other things.

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Please welcome Page Truggle. Well,
welcome to the show. I know it's

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been a couple of months in making
a shout out to Michelle for help making

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this happen. Yes, and I
thank you for being patient. Of course,

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of course, we do everything we
possibly can. So you're a Boston

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girl. Huh, Yes, I
am. I'm a Boston girl, had

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a girl. Well, I'm I
live about an hour west of the city.

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I grew up in west Well,
Boston, and then I moved to

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Wilverham and then Amberst. Okay,
so that's west that's Western mass Yeah,

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I mean I'm about ten to fifteen
minutes north of Worcester. Oh yeah,

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okay, yes, ah, you
from my from my neighborhood much yeah.

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Yeah, So you've done an exceptional
amount of things in your career. Obviously,

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I'm a huge Turtle fan, and
that's how I got to know you

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we riginally and follow your career off
and on from there. How did you

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want? It was my first movie? Yeah, that's crazy, Oh my

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goodness. I actually my first agent
was John Travolta's first agent, believe it

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or not, and she, uh, I think she retired. I just

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had an audition. I was on
All My Children and I just went to

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an audition around the corner and it
was Lynn Stallmaster was a casting director.

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I had never seen the first Turtle
movie. I had no idea. I

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mean, I was such a newbie. I was a ballet dancer, so

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I was a real newbie, like
do you know the only thing I had

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done was all my children and guiding
Light. I hadn't really, yeah,

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done anything. So when I got
on the set it was quite fun.

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But I said, oh my god, is this acting like? You know,

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because you feel pretty silly like and
you know, I would have brief

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moments where I'd go, there was
a human being in that suit and they're

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watching me talk basically to a stopped
animal, and I whoa. The characters

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were so young, but it's still
we had moments. And you know,

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being a dancer, we're not always
the most coordinated. And I you know,

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and the marks on the ground,
I say again in a gang because

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it was hysterical. They were up
like an inch so that they could feel

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them. Well, I tripped over
them so many times I can't even tell

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you. And so it was like
one of those silly things where you go

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whoa, okay and huge respect.
It was a Brad Pitt movie. What

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was it? Oh god? Where
it was live animation? Animation or live

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animation? Yes, I believe so
with what's the same? Always fascinating.

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And I said, while green screen
is really hard, working with turtles is

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equally is interesting for your imagination,
you know what. And I get to

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ask this question all the time,
Who's your favorite? Yeah, it's like

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you can't what mother? If you
have several children, it's like you can't

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answer that. You know, and
you love them each for what they represent

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right right, you know, and
who they are. But I do get

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asked that question constantly. That's funny. Yeah, but I'm a great time

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even I went back and rewatched it
for probably the thousandth time a brief last

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night, just skimming through, and
those first couple of apartment scenes are just

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hysterical even now, when when you
were filming that was could you actually hear

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what they were saying? Or was
that overdubbed later on? No, No,

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it was no. I I a
dr the whole both movies propped about

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them, except when I was working
with David Warner, who is now passed.

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But when I was working with a
human, I didn't have to ad

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r. However, that being said, we did a lot of you know,

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stunts, and there were horses and
so sometimes they have to even that

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out. But no, I had
never heard I would wait for the machine

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to stop inside. Wow, that's
basically how I did, with the machine

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stopping with their little mouth stopping.
Wow, that's insane. It was a

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little bit. It was a little
film like that's gotta be Brian Vandon a

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flyer after a while. Yeah,
but you know what I have to say,

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Jim Henson his puppeteers were brilliant.
Yeah, you know, so their

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timing was right there, you know, not that I even knew what timing

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was, but looking back, it
was there was a good they got the

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pace, do you know what I
mean? Because they were puppeteers, and

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they were Jim Benson's puppeteers, so
they were brilliant. I mean really brilliant.

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Yeah, I was a little bizarre. I was like, that's what

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I was like, this is acting. I can't hear them. And even

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when I was in a DR,
I never heard. Like I found out

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later that Corey's album and was you
know yeah, yeah, I didn't even

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know. So it was really kind
of fun to see the movie. Yeah,

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because you watch and you go whoa, And I was so green.

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There's a scene where I go up
to the apartment door. Yeah, I

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don't know if you remember that on
the street and oh boy did I learned

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because I was in ADR and I
was doing some weird stuttering thing like going

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here yeah yeah, And they're like, and I had never a DR,

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And I'm going, oh, page, never again. You speak clearly,

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you will you do it so that
if you need ADR, it's nice and

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clean and clear. Yeah. No, it's gonna be challenging and trying to

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mimic exactly what you had done in
that scene, you know, it's yeah,

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I mean I think I just had
fun with it. And an older

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actress had said to me, who
had a lot of experience, said to

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me, when you first start doing
it, just close your eyes, yeah

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and play the scene don't try to
watch your mouth and right right, you

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know, as you go along.
Like it really was great training for me

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because like I'm the master at ADR. A lot of people hate it,

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actors do not like it. I
look at it as another opportunity to change

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my performance or fix it. Well
yeah, I mean, you know post

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production, you know, yeah,
and you really do get it. And

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sometimes it can be really fun,
you know, deep breathing and I'm falling

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off a cliff, you know,
a lot of things. It's a lot

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of fun. I think it is
until you get to a really emotional scene

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and then sometimes you're frustrated and you
go really because I really like performance,

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I didn't have that with Turtles.
Know, it was weird for me to

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watch myself, but I thought they
were adorable and I still do. I

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mean, and my son is nineteen, he's gonna be twenty soon. And

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after the one came out with Megan
Fox, because he knew at a very

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young age, because his dad took
an action figure of me from the third

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movie gave it to my son.
My son went to who was in at

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Montossouri and at Show and Tell,
he said, this is my mom.

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So I got a phone call from
the head of the school, and she

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was like, you know, we're
having a little bit of a She didn't

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know I was an actress. I
had a little bit of a problem.

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I said, why, what's the
matter and she said, well, all

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of the little kids in the class. Are all the little kids in the

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class. I'm very confused because he
said, this is my mom. Is

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there something wrong with your child?
I said, no, that is me

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in that movie, so you know, was my poor kid though? Right?

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Yeah, yeah, seer actors.
But when the Megan Fox movie came

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out late, this is much later, of course, he said to me,

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oh god, mom, you could
never have worn that jumpsuit. I'm

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like, oh, she's so hot. Like okay, first of all,

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don't talk to your mother that way. Second of all, the second ball

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thanks a lot. It's like back
in the day you held your own girlfriend.

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I don't know about all that,
but no. But I mean,

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you know, well, you know, nowadays everything it there's so much.

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There's less innocence than I Yeah,
absolutely, you know, absolutely. But

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you know, it's fun. I
have a lot of fun interactions. I

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find it fascinating that it's really come. I mean, we all knew it

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was iconic, right. Well,
we didn't know that until little after the

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third, but we did. We
kind of knew. I mean the other

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movie that I did that felt the
same way was a game plan. Yeah,

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you know, nobody thought that that
was really going to get off the

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ground, right and it wrestling fan
so, I mean I was falling.

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Everything going was doing at that point
was in. He was so lovely nice,

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He's the sweetest man. I very
kind of fans. I mean,

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I don't know, it's been a
decade, well yeah it almost has,

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but he was lovely to me.
My first scene was the hug on the

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stretcher. Yeah, I mean one
leg of his is the size of my

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body, and yeah, so you
know what I mean. And he had

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to hug me. He my whole
back would and he way, oh my

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god, I'm so sorry. I'm
so sorry. I said, I'm fine.

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I don't have to go to the
chiropractor now. Yeah. He didn't

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hurt me. He's just really strong. Yeah. And I also had to

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have a ran, yeah, because
I was surrounded by football players. This

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was inside. Kira was across the
room, Cedric was across the room,

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and it seems laughing at me because
I'm like, how do I make this

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look normal? I'm walking up a
rand, you know, instead of an

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apple box. But there were so
many big football players that they had to

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because he wouldn't have been able to
see me. Oh right, yeah,

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but yeah, it was a lot
of fun. Love we had fun again.

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Yeah, it was just really funk. He's I saw Kevin Nash.

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I was at the con in New
Mexico. I have a fabulous picture.

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I should actually I'll send it to
Michelle. Yeah, so that you can

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have that picture, but you know, copy of it. But I'm so

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tiny next to him. Oh yeah, foot he and he is like so

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gentle when you speak to him.
You know. Really, I wasn't on

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the set. Two things I missed
was Ice Ice Baby. I wasn't there.

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It was kind of bummed out and
I was like, really, I'm

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not working. I know it was
that scene. And then I was never

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really around the batty like Shredder,
and I just I wasn't. Yeah,

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it was a lot of fun.
I mean I look back, oh gosh

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in Turtles to walkman, oh my
god. Yeah, I mean I was

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on set and the hundred and I
was like I need my walkman. Oh

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wow, I'm old, I need
my iPod and there was a lot of

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young kids. I can't turn one
hundred, and it was like, oh

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god, I really did. And
I had never done sci fi. I'm

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not a big sci fi person,
a person who watches a lot of sci

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fi. And so in the pilot, I say, watching them, we

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laugh. I walk up to the
door to leave and I try to push

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the door. Yeah, and I
hear the director say, you are on

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a spaceship. It will open.
Okay. It was fun. I had

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a little fun my career. Oh
it seems like you know you've taken everything

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inscride and you know you've done things
like Law and Order and like that.

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One Yeah, I'll tell you where
I play the batting lawyer. One day

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I got into my elevator in my
building and this woman goes, oh,

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you are awful, You're hateful.
I'm thinking, I don't know this woman,

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and I said, excuse me,
you said law and Order. I

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said, oh, because it's kind
of weird. I don't think about stuff

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like that, especially where I live
now. Nobody cares no, do you

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know what I mean? They just
don't. LA is a little more on

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top of like the airports, and
everything else. They're usually there for someone

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else, so I have to say, and I'll get caught the crossfire,

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right, but it's play. It's
funny and yeah, and someday I'll do

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a comedy comedy. I always play
that heavy, you know, yeah,

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the goody heavy. The only time
I got to play God, I loved

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it. It was person of interest. When I played Zoe, I absolutely

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loved you in that. And to
be honestly, what a cast. I

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was second choice. That was beautiful. And when that happened, I thought,

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you know what, Harrison Ford was
second choice yea for Star Wars,

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and I thought, you know what, you don't ever complain about that.

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You just go, okay, take
the opportunity I had. It was so

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much fun to play a woman that
I would admire, like do you know

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what I mean? And the simplicity
because I was meant to be his batman

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catwoman. Yeah. So I had
a lot of fun with the high heels

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and the you know it was it
was really fun. Oh yeah, and

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again you know, well the Zoe
smirk I always people always ask me to

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do. It's fun. No,
I mean, it seems like everything that

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you've done up to this point you
know, you've managed to have a ball

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with everything for the most part.
Well, if you don't have joy,

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thank you. And you know,
because if you don't have joy in what

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you're doing, it shows right,
you know, and I believe that you

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can always find something. You know, Robert Gannira once said, you know,

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I think it was Cape Fear.
You know, you're playing quote unquote

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a character, but it's a human
being. Even if they were Baddy,

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they still have something. You have
to find something in there, a little

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bit redeeming or you know, psychologically
you find you know. The fifth season

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of The Hundred, I played a
doctor with PTSD who had became a drug

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addict basically, which I came up
with that story because I thought people really

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which goes back to what we're just
we're talking about that we for myself being

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an artist, you know, I
was a classical ballet answer, but it's

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all about trying to tech for me, trying to reach people, whether it's

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to make them laugh, cry,
feel that they're not so alone, to

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find the universal no matter what country
you live in, the universal human and

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just what we go through in life, you know, I mean life in

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general, the human experience and connecting
with others. You know a lot of

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people missed the mark on that kind
of stuff. Yeah, and acting,

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I mean, quite frankly, it
can be so cathartic and so much fun.

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I did a B movie comedy about
He's probably eight years ago or something like

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that. Locally, I played a
hit man. You know, I'm only

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three point tall. So you know, you see a guy coming on with

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a wheelchair and a gun that is
saying it's hilarious. Are you? Are

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you retired? No? Actually,
even though my last name sounds Italian Opineo,

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it's actually French. Oh wow.
But I grew up I have Italians

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in my family, so you know, I grew up around that kind of

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thing anyhow, So it, uh, it came kind of natural. And

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you know, I've done some stand
up part time, and I'm actually a

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guitarist by trade, done that for
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know, I totally understand what you're
saying about reaching people and kind of being

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uplifting and trying to get inspired the
best out of folks. Yeah, and

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you know, I mean, here's
the bottom line about it, and so

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all of that and we need I
mean, what started during World War One,

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maybe you know, entertainment it was, you know, it was meant

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to make people forget right. Right, we've transitioned a little bit into you're

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not alone or whatever it might be
that you're doing. But you know,

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there is a purpose right to what
it is that we do, which I

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think is very special. Absolutely.
I mean, I you know, I

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had a pretty real up bringing during
to my medical situation, and you know,

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movies and TV keet me safe.
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and oh, I'm sorry. I
remember watching you and and uh, you

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know everybody else in the partals movies
and as a kid, and there was

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a great way for me to kind
of escape the situation I was in.

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So I totally agree with you there. Yeah, I mean there's something very

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special about it. Yeah, and
you can do things for art's sake as

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well, you know what I mean. Like I'm not saying that, you

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know, but uh, I mean
I look at everything. It's a funny.

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I've been very very blessed to I've
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the since COVID, this is the
first time that it's kind of gotten a

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little weird between that and the strikes
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yay, we're not on strike,

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and it was like yay, but
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running and my one hundred went off, we're pretty close to it. So

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but hey, you know, what
can you be doing with that? We

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love? Yeah, absolutely, We're
all trying to get by and make the

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best of what we got. I
know, I wish people would I sound

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like I'm total goofball, but I
wish people would be a little more conscientious

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of what's going on in the world. Meaning and I'm not a political person,

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so don't understand at all. But
it's a little sad right now,

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you know, it just is.
Yeah, So I know that sounds weird,

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but well, I mean I could
use some entertainment coming off of COVID.

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I wish we hadn't gone on stray
because people could could have used although

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there were a lot of things that
you know, were shelved right that they

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pulled out that were quite good,
true, you know what I mean.

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So you know you have to look
at it that way. So do you

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have anything up and coming or any
secrets no, because that's what no,

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because there were just coming back up
and running. Yeah. Got because the

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hundred ended, COVID happened, one
hundred ended, well, the hundred ended

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and CIS I did that's I was
in New Orleans and a hot spot and

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caught COVID in twenty twenty, and
then I caught it again after a short

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movie I did for Seth MacFarlane and
Climb Marker. Interesting pairing, Yeah,

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that is. It's funny. I
got to be like, was that Needlehead?

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And then Book of Blood and they
updated it and I got to be

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with big bang kind of flash.
That must have been cool to kind of

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go out of your usual comfort zone
for that kind of thing. Yeah.

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Well it was funny because they before
I got there, they asked me I

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still have the photos. They asked
me to take some selfies or some photos

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on me being like because they described
what the CGI was going to be.

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Yeah, well I actually wasn't c
G. I they made a mask,

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so, oh my god. The
pictures are hysterical. I said, don't

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you ever show anywhen these pictures because
I look like this weirdo gun keep the

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weird looking key. Yeah, hysterical
really, but Yeah, that was It

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was a bit of a rush and
people could use a little bit of or

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could have you I'm glad they pulled
stuff out and you know, we streaming

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now and everything like, I mean, you can binge and that's what I

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did during code. Yeah, so
we get up and running quickly. Yeah,

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I hope so. Well. Absolutely. I mean I've I've kind of

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relied on entertainment in general for my
whole career pretty much, just because of

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my physical limitations. But you know, it's a great avenue and a great

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medium for people, like you said, to unload and kind of a cathartic

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process. And I don't think many
people realize how much good that does for

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us those are of us that are
in the field, you know, mentally,

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of amazing. I don't think they

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do. I mean, well,
it depends, you know. I mean,

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I think that there's I don't know
if I don't know, it's been

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so heavy, right, you know
what I mean that I'm not sure,

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you know, Yeah, I mean
everything right now in the world is kind

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of influx and somewhat unstable. So
I'm sure that makes you know, even

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somebody in your situation much more uneasy
about what they're doing, and you know

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what plants could be made and whatnot. So it's got to complicate things.

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It does a little bit. I
mean I just did that con in New

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Mexico and and I know that the
cast of the hundred, most of the

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kids are going to be there in
Boston and yeah, what is that gonna

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be on again? Uh somewhere in
March March? Well, I will not.

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I I haven't. I wasn't invited, So no, I think it's

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because I'm the old lady. Oh
well on that. It's all the young

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kids. It's all the young kids, right right. So yeah, So

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what was what was it like when
you first started to do these conventions and

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whatnot? You know, the first
this is the first time I've done any

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in this country and in the US. But uh, it was fun.

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Again I say that it was fun. I had a lot of fun.

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Uh. I did one in London. I got really sick. Like there's

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kind of a rule we call it
the con flu because you're around a lot

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of people, yeah, thousands,
Yeah, and when you do three days,

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everybody ends up getting sick. Boundary. We get a home, we

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get a home and we go all
right, so far I don't have a

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conflute. Are good, but you
know what, it's nice because we don't

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have immediate feedback right now with social
media it's better. Yeah, but initially,

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you know, if you were on
TV, didn't really like hear anything.

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Sorry for squeaking, you didn't.
You didn't actually people didn't like.

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I don't know, I don't know
how to say that, but you know,

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you just didn't know if anybody liked
what you were doing because we didn't

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have social media back. You know. That's just recent yeah, I guess,

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yeah, and you just kind of
go, okay, this is a

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good thing. So when you go
to Waklan, it's really good, right

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because you get to hear and see
and meet people and I love I mean,

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I actually love that. So they're
they're you know sometimes it's I always

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know when I'm done, I'm like
tired because my signature is so oldful.

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Oh my god. Really okay,
I think it's time to either eat or

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go home. Yeah, I think
is terrible. Anyway, that's cool though,

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Well, everybody has these cool signatures. I don't think I've quite figured

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I don't yet, to be honest, but yeah, I'm still not why

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where I wanted to be either,
But it's is that from the ballet and

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whatnot? Do you have any outside
of hobbies that you enjoyed that people might

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noble? Uh? I have been
writing poetry, Yes, I'm boxes since

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I moved to New York and then
I just started. I've always done watercolors

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nice. I like mixed media,
so I do watercolors with some of my

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poems and write them and within the
structure. But during COVID, I actually

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started using a crylics and then a
friend of mine who's an artist, came

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over and said, oh, now, let's try oils. I was like,

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whoa, I do not have the
patience for oils. Yeah, it

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takes too long in between, you
know. I kind of go with the

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flow literally with watercolors, and you
can kind of do that with a crylics.

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So that is my my other thing
that is completely embarrassing. But I'll

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tell you addicted to id TV,
No kiddings happened that happened, that happened

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during pravity. Yeah, just a
documentary is pretty much. Yeah, let's

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see. The first one was my
my son's dad. It started with was

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it Women Who Kill? It was
something like that, yeah, and I

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remember him walking by the couch and
going, are you planning my murder?

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That's hilarious? Yeah it was.
It was actually kind of funny. But

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you know, there's fear that neighbors
pretty good. Evil lives Here is excellent,

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forty eight hours, great classic.
Yeah, yeah, it's great.

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And Paulson, God bless her.
Six seasons unreal so but she's good.

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Yeah, And I honestly fall asleep
sometimes. I fall asleep. One night

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I woke up to screaming, Oh
god, I was out in California.

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I live an my son wasn't there, Yeah, and here screaming and I

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U my eyes and you know,
you're half awake, and there was a

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woman hanging from like I was an
actor, but yeah, hanging from a

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balcony. And I went, you
know, I can't fall asleep to this

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again. There's no way because it
was too free. I was like,

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oh my gosh. Yeah, I
never understand that people can fall asleep to

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my horror movies or anything like that. But that's my guilty pleasure, right,

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you know, now that we're getting
more movies coming out, I know,

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but it was kind of like a
filler, yeah, you know,

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and when I was really sick.
I didn't want to watch something that I

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was gonna fall asleep on or you
know what, I mean, to keep

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your attention. Yeah, but this
thing caw. It's been a rough three

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years. But guess what, we're
in a new year. Everything's happy ish

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and there's not where I live right
now. But yeah, I would out

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no, well, I mean,
is it really seeing on the news with

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the migrants or yeah? Yeah,
yeah, it's just it's what's happening right

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now, you know, I mean
you have to look, you know,

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but see again, I'm not political
but humanitarian and why it's kind of like

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you know, it was snowing and
freezing out the other day, yeah,

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and it was just they I don't
know, but yeah, and they tried

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to disperse it to New Jersey and
then they were getting on the Path train

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to come in in New York City, which is not any better at that

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immediate moment. I'm hoping it's getting
better, right, I mean, but

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the crime is out of control.
I mean it is just you know,

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because I was here eight late eighties, Yeah, and it was bad,

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right, and then Giuliani came in
cle and cleaned it up. He tried

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you know, and he did a
great job actually, but it is this

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is different, it's a different vibe. Yeah, you know, New Yorkers

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are pretty resilient too. I will
say that. You know after nine to

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eleven people the ancors get a bad
rap and they shouldn't because you know,

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if you trip, you step off
a curb. I know that sounds goofy.

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They will stop and you will stop
and help you out right. You

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know they will do things that you
would get a bad rap that they're not

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going to do anything. It's not
true, right, you know, but

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I sound like yeah, I mean
it's just didn't uh no, you kind

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of run into something similar like that
in Boston, like every other person would

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be like a ha, and you
know, you know next time you'll get

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something actually helping you up. Well, that's where I was born, Yeah,

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and lived there until well my dad
passed when I was a baby,

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and then so we moved to my
mom's parents in Wolverham, Massa or Springfield.

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They're kind of like the next week
Jo and went back for high school

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the Boston Well Nadick Nick. Yeah, it was oh good old Natick Mall.

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Oh boy, I've never been there, you know, really I have

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never been there. I was because
I was at a firming arts high school

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that was very It was all girls, very strict. It's we're Carol Bernette's

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daughter who passes where she went Goodness, Yeah, I believe it's co ed

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now walnut Hill, but we now, I never We weren't really allowed to

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go fult, do you know what
I mean. It was very and we

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didn't have time. You know,
we were because I was understudying with the

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Boston Ballet and so we didn't really
have time. So like I mean my

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prom I went with two other dancers
into Boston. We didn't have dates.

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We weren't going to the you know, I think it was with Arbor at

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prep school. Okay, but you
know we did, you know, and

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sometimes we go to a dance every
once in a while. But the thing

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wise is that we were rehearsing,
right, do you know what I mean?

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So it was just kind of a
different, different kind of high school

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life. Yeah, she would say, I'm happy about it, unhappy,

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But I didn't. I didn't have
like a like I don't know, high

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school experience. I guess you might
say, yeah, I mean I'm not

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really even sure, like how to
define a normal high school experience. Well,

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like you know, Friday nights kids
would go ice skating or or you

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know, the weekends they would go
to the movies, you know, and

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you know occasionally I would, but
it wasn't very often you know that I

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was able to do that. So
was the ballet is something that you wanted

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to get into from a young age
or was that just kind of Yeah?

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Well, when I first went,
I was like three, and I hated

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that, and so then I asked
to dance, got into Amherst Ballet,

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Hitter Company and the Berkshire Ballet.
They kind of went hand in hand and

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I was seen by the Jeffrey we
had guests. Was young. I was

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on twoint when I was seven.
They don't do anymore because it really messes

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up your hips. My mother just
sent me She's from one point to my

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first point too. It's so tiny. It's like really weird. But yeah,

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I mean when because I was injured
and now they have surgery for it,

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which is kind of spectacular. But
at the time the doctor for the

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bus from ballet looked at on my
X rayse and everything and said you're done.

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I was devastating. I lost my
identity, you know, because that's

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all I did, you know,
and my whole life, well, I

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mean my whole life up until that
point. Now I look back, I

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was such a baby. But still
I was devastating, you know. And

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I used to sneak in through the
dance class is when I wasn't supposed to,

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but I had. I tore all
the ligaments and I hit chips in

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my achilles tendon and I did it
dancing right, That's how I got hurt.

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So yeah, it was. It
was, but you know what,

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it taught me a huge life lesson
because you know, we just we appreciate

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the journey and we don't always know
what that journey is going to be.

431
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I do believe in manifesting things.
I do believe in, you know,

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being proactive and having ambition but and
knowing what you want but you know,

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rather than let it. It kind
of guided me into a career because my

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dance career would have been over so
you know, at a pretty young age.

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So you know, we find our
way. I mean, the first

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job I got, I called my
mother because I was doing musical theater a

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lot, regional theater, and oh
god, I'm forgetting names. I'm getting

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old. But I was asked to. I had a choice because I had

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done it up in upstate New York
where Nathan Lane actually did Summer Theater.

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I love it and I do too, and so I was supposed to do

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a course line. I did a
course line at that theater. It's Chatham.

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That doesn't exist anymore, and so
mccayden Theater. So the woman that

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was directing the course line that came
up was going to That's how I got

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an agent. She brought me to
John Travolta's agent. She was an answer,

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right, and so he'd already left
her. It was already a star.

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But you know, we all start
somewhere, and it was they It

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was between me playing a valve who's
teen a girl, or doing Guiding Light.

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But I was starting right, I
was. It was for the last

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cast on Broadway, and I just
I had to eat, you know,

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So I just I needed the money. It's a torrible thing to say,

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but I really did, you know. I was on my own in New

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York. Yeah, And I was
on my own in New York, starting

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out and working three jobs, and
oh yeah, that's going to be a

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scary when you're in a semi new
place and kind of established yourself and all

455
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that kind of thing. I have
to tell you, I had no fear.

456
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Oh that doesn't have no admit.
I walked through an knife fight in

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Times Square trying to get into a
voice lesson. I was like, yeah,

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I'm paying so much money for this
was I have no money. And

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I walked through this group and why
are they in a circle? Right?

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And then I walked it to the
other side, and I think around.

461
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I was like, oh wow,
stepping into wayside store or west Side story.

462
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Yeah, I mean I never went
out late. I got young of

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an age, yeah, but I
didn't really have any fear. I think,

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you know, as we get older, you know, we think it

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like I used to be an avid
skier. You can't now with my hip

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on my knee, but you know, I had no fears, like yeah,

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I'll go last side jump, you
know. Now. It's like when

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I the last time I went skiing, which is like a couple of years

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ago, I was like, I
don't even think I can do the moguls

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because I'd like to walk tomorrow right
right, you know. But and I

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was talking to somebody else. It's
so interesting as the dancer. Took me

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a long time to go to the
ballet because I would go to the ballet

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and no matter who I went with, they'd go stop switching, Like what

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are you talking about? My body
was like, wanted to dance. Yeah,

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so I couldn't sit still. One
of the last times though that I

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went, I it didn't happen and
then twitching. So I guess I'm well

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be on that now. Well,
I mean, I think it's not that

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it work out of your system,
but I'm sure over time that's kind of,

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you know, lesson a thing.
Yeah, and listen, I've had

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a really I shouldn't say I had
still, but my career has been great.

481
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Yeah in acting, you know,
yeah, I was. I was

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going over your resume last week and
I was like, wow, you've done

483
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way more than I realized. Yeah, can idea this is funny. And

484
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I look and I say that,
and I think that, and then I

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go, oh my god, I'm
old. You know, You're only as

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old as you feel. At least
that's what I say. Oh, I

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do not feel old. I when
I wake up in the morning from dancing

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and doing some of my own stunts, I do feel old. What my

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body does, but not my soul. Yeah, I had. I had

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a really nice, nice career.
Oh and I will continue to God that

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sounded weird, but so far,
so good. You know. Chris Lawford

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was a very good friend of mine. Yeah, And in fact, I

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was in Vancouver when he passed.
Yeah, I was right up the street.

494
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Yeah, he said to me once. His dad told him, you

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know, it's so funny. It's
not so much like this now, but

496
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he said, just when you can
act and you have all the experience,

497
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you gotta fight for those rules,
you know. And it's so funny because

498
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when you start out it's like,
oh my god, I couldn't have my

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way out of a paper bag.
You know. It's like, wow,

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okay, so here we go.
Practice makes perfect like anything else. Yeah,

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my kid all the time. How
do you get to Carnegie Hall,

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00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:30.159
Nica practice and the practice? He's
so cute. He's twenty now. A

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00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:34.840
big football player, or he was. I think he stopped. Well.

504
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My dad played for before they were
the Patriots, before they formed the I

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00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:46.280
think they were called Boston something.
Yeah, I don't know, back in

506
00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:52.320
the fifties, and his father played
for the Washington Redskins. My grandfathers he

507
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:58.079
was a doctor and played football,
and so only stands to reason that my

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kid would want to do that.
Ye. Now he's in film school,

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00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:07.800
which yeah, both his father and
I were like, don't you want to

510
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be a marine biologist? You know, doctor, even good business man?

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What are you doing? Yeah?
I had a cousin that I got her

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degree in marine biology and then switched
to, uh all kinds of different nursing

513
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stuff and wow, huge left turn. But yeah, it's wunny you mentioned

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that. Thanks for coming on the
show. Really appreciate your time. Thank

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you. We can keep in touch
anyway, and uh sure up on the

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next episode. Wonderful m