S2 EP3 Marcus Rafferty (Mudvayne)

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What's up, guys and gals.
This is season two, episode three.

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Bulldog Uncensored got a very special guest
today, one of the young sung heroes

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of rock and roll as of late, and getting more and more credit day

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by day, mister Marcus Rafferty from
Muggy Mark. What's going on? Hey,

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thanks for coming on the field.
I got a chance to see you

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guys on the last rounded tour that
you guys went through mass Oh yeah,

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are we going through there with megade
this time? Yeah? I think so.

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Yeah, I was. I was
at the Mansfield show. Oh yeah,

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I love that place. Yeah,
that's great. So yeah, tell

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me a little bit about yourself for
those people at home that well, I

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wouldn't know how you got to where
you're at. How long ago did you

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start playing guitar. I started playing
guitar when I was a kid, nine

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years old. My mom was showing
me some stuff back in the day.

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I find in the industry for about
twenty years, guitar Atteck and selling merch,

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playing in bands and whatever I could. Yeah, I think, yeah,

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yeah, you TechEd for hell Yeah, Flossy A couple of the guys,

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Yeah, with the red I have
a dog for a while. Nice.

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I love those guys. Damn two
thousand and seven. I guess got

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to meet then when they had the
original lineup at all its rest and they

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were just the nicest dudes. Oh, dude's super sweet. Yeah. Yeah.

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I gave the handicapped pass, so
they put me in behind everybody in

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the booth while everybody else went through
the lines. So I got to hang

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out with them the whole time.
That's great. Nice. So I started

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when I was ten. I'm thirty
six now, so that does It's quite

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a long time too, Yeah,
at the old forty. So you started

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out. Did you play any bands
locally in your area at the time.

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I did. I had a band
when I was a kid called Strange.

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For a long time, I had
a cover band your Syracuse called When Everything

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Fails, because Syracuse, when everything
fails, start a cover band. It

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still makes the money. Yeah,
right, So that worked out, and

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I have my band with my brother
called Falls Funnity. That's I haven't really

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been too active, but we wrote
some cool songs back in the day where

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we're talking about write some more music, just trying to find the time to

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do it. Yeah, no area, I've got all kinds of Irons in

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the Fire or new stuff on my
end. Yeah, you know, it's

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just it's so damn hard to get
five people in the same room. Yeah,

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absolutely, when we're all working blue
collar jobs at the same time,

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just playing rock star on the weekends, or at least I am right now.

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Yeah, yeah, I feel you
crazy. Absolute When you were coming

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up, was there a pretty decent
local scene? It was. It was

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decent, man, When I was
a kid, it was a decent scene.

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Syracuse was a big hardcore scene back
in the the nineties with like Earth

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Crisis was our Flame the Fame and
my brother's other band, brand Newston.

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They got signed two thousand and they
did pretty well. So then everything kind

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of switched over to like blues and
jazz and the rock scene. The local

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scene kind of if you weren't a
cover band, nobody go out to see

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it play. You know. It
just dawned on me. So I played

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a show in Worcester with my old
band with your brother's band, played the

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Lucky Dog downtown listed Oh no,
yeah, they're playing up here on the

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local radio station, K Rock is
putting on their uh k Rocketon. They

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stopped doing like a decade or so
though they're they're pre launching it and brand

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Newson's opening up the gate. Nice. Yeah, that's next Saturday, I

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think to the twenty seven. Cool. Well check that out focus you're in

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the area for sure. Yeah,
man, I'll be uh I leave for

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four like right after that. Yeah, how did the kicking scene come about?

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So, when my brother got thrown
out a brand new Sin in the

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early days of it, because he
was just a young kid, he started

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teching for Chimera Okay, he went
and drunk tech for trivia. They were

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just getting started, so it was
like two thousand and four. They ended

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up staying at my house crashing.
I'm on the dad's floor and they were

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playing here in Syracuse at Gloss Horizon, a venue that my buddy John owns.

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I helped him out with sometimes,
and they thought it'd be a cool

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idea for me to sell merch forms. They brought me out on the road

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doing that, and that was kind
of my foot in the door, right

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and I took it from there.
I just kept meeting people and getting gigs.

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In this business, it's pretty much
about who you know. Yeah,

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that's all it is. Like there
was a band called Silence Civilion that was

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opening up for Nothing Face when I
was out selling Merchant for that back and

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was six and their guitar players play
and I want I really like the man,

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and I want to play guitar with
the man. So I tried out

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for them for like six months and
finally they're Uh. I tried to try

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out there. The owner of the
record label just told me to record a

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video to be playing a song.
But I looked at their tour dates and

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they're in Reading, Pennsylvania, which
is like an eight hour drive for me,

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and so I was like, you
know what, I'm just gonna go

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down there jam in person. And
I did, and I got that gig.

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I ended up joining up with them
in Virginia the next day. My

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dad just I drove home. My
dad turned around with me at like three

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o'clock in the morning, drove me
down to Virginia so I could beat up

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at the gig. Wow, that's
awesome. Yeah, mom and dad were

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our biggest supporters for a while.
I had, yeah, god damn money.

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Yeah. I grew up on a
small farm. I just nor hollistic

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and you know, so money was
always tight. But they let me use

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the garage and it's been still in
use today. Yeah, good stuff.

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But I'm in the process of building
my own home studio and at my place

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now that I'm married and living across
town, so that's a lot. Yeah.

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Oh yeah, we're plugging away.
But you know, we're all trying

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to do the same thing and it's
just a matter of time. And I

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think with certain gigs that musicians end
up with their don't You gotta take whatever

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opportunities you can. Yeah, so
obviously, you know, rubbing elbls with

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Trivia love those guys. You know, you're flying your way into the upper

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echelon. Show. We say,
how did you get approached originally for this

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muddling gig? Uh? So I
got approached from Greg to come out in

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a guitar tech for that when they
were doing the festival shows and uh the

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fall twenty twenty one, and I
initially turned it down because it was the

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first gig after COVID. So I
was out with with Lab of God for

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like three years, and then COVID
happened and shut everything down. So I

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started selling cars and I was home
with my family all the time, and

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I was pretty comfortable, and I
was like, you know what, I'm

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good but he talked me into it
and I went down there and I had

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always sang backups when Chad with hell
yeah anyways and not so I was doing

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some backups behind the curtain to the
Incarceration Festival. Chad and I both had

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COVID. We didn't know what we
were sick as hell, and it was

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just it was bad, like yeah, but it was bad. So then

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coming after COVID, h after we
had COVID at that show, you know,

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there's issues with breathing and whatnot,
and so they having two of us

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singing, uh, you know,
be covering up more backup parts and what

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so Chad didn't have to try and
over exert himself, right, this kind

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of made sense. So yeah,
so I put my job and done this

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focus more on the band. Went
down there for the Sacramento show after Shock,

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and then they had pulled me in
the dressing room and told me that

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they wanted to bring me on stage
and told me in make up, you

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know, kind of make it,
make it an actual gig. So that

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was really nice. Nice. You
never know day to day how you know

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what's going to come at you to
be able to approach it or handle it.

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So Thankfully I ended up working out. That's fantastic already being in that

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circle obviously, you know that helps
you get your foot in the door.

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But at the end of the day, you can't play the ship. They

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ain't gonna hire you you. Oh. Absolutely, oh yeah, today my

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day off, my lounging day.
Bro. I'm just glad we were able

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to do this. Finally, absolutely
Monthston making pretty huge time before we move

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on to the next thing. Today's
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details. So what are you running
gear wise? I know this is a

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little bit more specific to guitar players
out there, but I always loved talking

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shop. No, yeah, so
I run a kemper. Originally, when

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I was doing this with teching and
singing behind the curtain for the Incarceration show,

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I realized that if something went down
with Greg's break and I was behind

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the curtain singing or playing a part
on a guitar as I was doing that

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as well, but I would be
able to get to him. So I

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set up to kemper stage profilers on
the floor with a Morley abswhich so if

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one went down, he could hit
the beast wood. I will go to

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the secondary break right, And it's
just kind of easy convenient. You have

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the same tone everywhere in the world
runs both to twenty and one or so.

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It's it's it's just really user friendly. So I just kind of stopped

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that and then I played gips and
guitars now. Nice. Yeah, that

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was a really nice situation. My
buddy, actually, Mark from Mana Got

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It took me up with that nice. Yeah, that's awesome, super sweet,

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hurt. Yeah. I started out
as a Gaen guy predominantly. Uh

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my buddy Pat here in Rhode Island
Boiling Guitars, as I mentioned, decided

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to have me as one of his
first endorsed custom artists. Been signed up

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with them for quite a long time
now, and you know he takes care

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of all my stones pretty much homemade
from the top down. You know,

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yeah, what are you running for? Pickups? I use the rail Hammers,

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Okay, yeah, I love them. So my rep Scott was my

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rep from MG back in the day
that when he switched over rail Hambler.

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I like him because they're passive,
but I still get enough gain like almost

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to the point of an empty not
quite, but so I keep my one

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way my eyes when I need it. Yeah, I feel like, you

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know, I've got a couple of
guitars with passive pickups and a couple with

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you know, active and whatnot,
and I tend to lean towards the pass

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of myself. Honestly, I'm a
dime bucker guy. You know, I

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keep it real simple, but you
know, try to mix it up.

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We were all big exact wild fans
growing up. Eight five ors is kind

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of standard. But and as I've
gotten older myself, I just kind of

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like the sound of a passive pickup
right Well, it's a different dynamic,

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and you know, it's harder to
explain for anybody that doesn't really play,

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but it's kind of like you know
that if you turn it on a heater,

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you just dial it up and it's
going to burn your hand a little

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bit more. But yeah, right
now, I've pretty much been a lot

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on line six guy for a long
time. I know sometimes they get shipped

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on, but I think it's a
really good product if you get a tony

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like cold of it. Yeah,
absolutely, you know, once I got

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things dialed in, it took me
about ten years to get a signature sound

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per se. Yeah, of course, you know, getting used to mixing

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in with other players and stuff.
It's it's a whole different beast. But

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I'd love to go too, but
I just I don't have the what capabilities

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of doing all that. So it's
just easier having a lot to move,

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man. Yeah, exactly, it's
a lot. And when you get six

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or eight inch fucking foot pedal,
it's it's kind of hard to work with.

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Yeah, well I make it work. I get my foot switch in

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my wall pedal. I run a
bad Horsey two nice. You know.

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I never was a WAT guy ever. I've never even owned one. We

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have one at times. And then
he gave me a long time ago,

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and I ended up giving it to
a friend of mine. He needed needed

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a while really bad, because I
mean, as far as I knew,

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when Vinny was always like, well, you know, time want to play

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it? Well, so I gave
somebody that would play it U And yeah,

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was uh was always just something that
I think Zach wild he he uses

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wow a lot, real lot.
Yeah, And I was like, man,

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I like I wonder if I can
play some of that ship without the

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lot. So like I'm not covering
up any of my bullshit if I'm not

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saying the Zach box up because he's
a phenomenal tar, but I'm sure he

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doesn't. Sure he has good days
and bad days, but I don't know.

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It was just never were my thinking. Yeah, I was always a

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straight cable into the amp guy with
a noise gates less more for sure.

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Yeah, simple from doing leads.
But yeah, grew up in hardcore bands.

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Man, that was it was?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, a

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dirty tone that was about it,
right exactly. Yeah, did you take

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grunty Pedal and the crapad and the
old the metals own pedal happened? Yeah,

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yeah, exactly good stuff. Tell
me about the first night of actually

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being visually there on stage for the
crowd to see and playing with the band,

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like my Dane, you know,
Greg is a fantastic guitaroray, they're

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all fantastic musician, everybody in that
bad I mean the best goddamn musicians that

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they're all phenomenal. Yeah, what
was that first experience? Like it was,

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uh, there was a lot of
like I guess adrenaline, Yeah,

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Like, and I had a job
to do and I had to go up

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and do it. Basically, it
wasn't any nerves or anything like that.

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It was just like, alright,
this is what we've been working towards for

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thirty fucking five years or whatever,
so let's go and do it. So

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we do, right, No bullshit, just fucking yeah, said, I'm

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definitely the same way for sure right
now as it stands, Are you actually

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going to be contributing to writing at
any point or yeah, I'm not sure.

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If I was ever asked to,
then I wouldn't bet an eye and

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I would go and help far.
So I told them from the very get

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go that I'm there to help with
whatever they need. Right So, being

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a higher gun, I'm fine cool
doing that. It's you know, I

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still get to go out there and
just jamm with my friends. But up

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to date, I haven't written anything. So whatever they've got going on,

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they've got going on, and I'm
ready to learn it. Right. Yeah.

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Sometimes it's just easier when you're in
a situation like that that, you

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know, coming into an established band
like that, it's like, guys,

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just want what you want me to
do, and we'll do it and call

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it a dad. Well, I
mean, and the main thing for me

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is I was. I've been a
fan of my Veins since I was a

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kid, so like I would want
the first music that I heard coming back

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to be from the four of them. Anyways, you know, just because

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I'm a fan of the band,
right because I play in the band,

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I play guitar in the band with
for the band or how work, however

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you want to word it. Yeah, so I'm still fan. And there's

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so much you know, Yeah,
no, definitely that that's awesome to be

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in that position and absolutely you know
have have that outside perspective too, definitely

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keeps you grounded, I would think, absolutely, yeah. Yeah, So

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any crazy stories you could think of, there was so many. Uh it's

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hard to ever just pin point one. Uh. Me and p King uh

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were just been He's like my best
goddamn front and we were roommates together.

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So with the Hell Yeah camp,
we shared hotel rooms for years because budgets

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weren't that thing. So me and
you can't share the room for a decade.

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So him and I would just go
and have the most Shenanigan Field Days

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all the time kind of thing.
Me and him and Chad Luke would go

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and try to make the best out
of it. I think the more not

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even just sananigans. But I remember
back when I worked for Hate Prey back

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in like two thousand and eightish,
me and Maddie Burned their drummer, decided

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that we were going to turn touring
into being a taurus. So like when

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you're over in Europe and whatnot,
you go out and you explore and you

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see everything the europe hass offered.
But we never did that in the States.

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It was always just venue, hotel, bus venues. So we went

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to like Alcatraz and you know,
go and see who's got the biggest ball

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of yarn or whatever. Yeah,
and see the States. So so that's

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what we did. We want to
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and I mean we really had fun
with it. So that was that

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started a whole different era of touring
for me, which was nice because it's

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very redundant, repetitive, just going
from the the transportation to the venue,

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back to the transportation to the next
venue. Oh yeah, it's just like

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you're saying the same thing every day, so as understand that for sure.

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Yeah, same thing, different city. Yeah, so before you get into

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you know, Techingentor and going on
the road at the time. Did your

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previous band told very much or were
you pretty much just local we're just local

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bands. Yeah, Yeah, it
was nice. So we played a lot.

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We always like practiced more than anything
else. I guess, like we

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wouldn't be the best band that shows
up at the venue, but we'd be

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the itis. You know. We
always made sure that we were goddamn on

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point with everything right right, It's
as much as we possibly could. But

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then it was a different world back
then. We didn't have girlfriends. Now,

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you know, we go to school
school and we go have band practice,

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and then we go home and go
to school and go have band practice.

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Yeah, that's kind of how high
school was for me too. It's

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like you're either playing with the guitar
or playing with the dick, so pretty

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much want to pick one just the
way, absolutely fantastic stuff. Is there

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any particular Muddy song that you had
the hardest time, like, out of

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all of them, that you had
the most difficulty learning? So it's I

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mean, I'm still to this day
figuring out do a little puck because there

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was so many layers in all of
those songs. Yeah, one of the

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best things that that I was able
to do was before that the show in

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Connecticut there at Fox was the last
show when Greg had to go home.

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Ye had spent like seventeen hours with
Ryan just going through everything everything, oh

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relearning all the songs and whatnot.
And Ryan is so so like in the

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I mean, it's so hard to
explain that. Dude's knowledge of the instrument

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is just incredible. So I basically
got a free lesson from Ryan, who's

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Ryan is like my best goddamn friend. Anyways, So him and I jamming

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together for that long and just picking
about all these things. It wasn't it

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wasn't like that. Oh yeah,
so it kind of goes like this and

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you know whatever else. It was
like, hang on, stop this note

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to this note, there's a slide
a pause of harmonic and then a little

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picks scratch and then you go to
the neck. I'm uh so uh yeah,

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learning uh, learning things from Ryan
is just it's incredible. And I

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soaked up and retained so much knowledge, Like I felt like a smarter person

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coming out of it. It's incredible. Yeah, I mean, it really

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is a blessing when you can have
a guitar, either a mentor or you

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know, just a band member like
that that can help you elevate your vility,

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you know, and vice versa.
Like there's there's nothing like it,

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I don't think. Yeah. I
mean, and if you ever get a

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chance to meet meet the guys,
I mean, especially Ryan is just the

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sweetest, so just down to earth
and just I mean, the most humble,

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fucking it's incredible. If you ever
get a chance to or whatever or

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where in Massachusetts come out and I
get introduced, so I love you,

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dude, that would be a fucking
life changing experience for me. Those guys

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have been a big part of my
playing, as obviously yours as well,

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So that would be a ton of
fun. And I'm a I'm a lifelong

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I mean, I got a dineback
tattoo, like I was looking. Daryl

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was my gift for the remainder of
my adult life pretty much. Yeah,

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I got one of my life.
Yeah. And I actually got a chance

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right after he passed, I think, hell ya. I was doing Mayhem

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Fester or something like that, and
Rita had come down with the dining barbare

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or tour bus and all that.
She's awesome about meeting fans and the stuff.

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But her and I sat down and
really talked for like a good ten

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to fifteen minutes. Yeah, and
she is just the sweetest lady. Yeah

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she is. We are too,
absolutely and she had me choking up.

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She just she had both hands on
her on my shoulders and said, Darryl

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would absolutely love you. Yeah,
and I was liken't get closer than that,

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Like, what the fuck? So
Josh you're married, you said,

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right, yep, do you have
any kids? No, we're not currently.

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I have a four well he's almost
three year old pit bull. But

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I got two nephews and they keep
my whole family busy enough, so it

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works out pretty good. There you
go. Yeah, right on, And

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I got two boys at ten and
twelve. Nice and they're built at like

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they're eighteen and thirty. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, I matured way too

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fucking fast from my age too.
It's ridiculous. Yeah, try and get

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trying and get like a electronic lock
on frid Yeah. Right, it's like

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you guys just don't stop eating,
don't stop eating. Looking they're both like

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Ron Weasley and Harry Potter. Just
yeah, it's never ending chaos. Honestly,

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Like, I'm I'm glad to see
that I'm not the only one with

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a supportive rock and roll fanly because
it's it's hard for people to adjust to

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that kind of lifestyle, and especially
as a parent, you know, Like

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I can remember getting in arguments about
whether or not I was getting paid to

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play a gage with my old man, Like this is both about money.

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It's always about money. Just didn't
really think about it like that. No,

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exactly, And you know, we
get we get fed the whole thing

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about oh, we're doing this for
exposure, but you really are. Yeah,

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yeah, roll the days and it
is a gamble in this business.

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Some people always take off and everything
comes natural, and I'll just struggle for

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years. Yeah, just never quite
get to where they want to be.

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I've been at it for fourteen years, playing out alive and trying to get

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somewhere. And the business has changed
so much in the last decade it's insane.

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Oh dude, nowadays, Like you
don't need record labels or anything like

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that anymore. Right, it's on
that pops off and it goes viral or

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something. You make all your money
like that. Yeah exactly. It's like,

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if I had that kind of life
as far as the music industry goes,

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Yeah, if I had that ten
to twelve years ago, i'd probably

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be thrown with you guys, right, what the fuck? Ok? Yeah?

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Man? Yeah, I mean you
know, I'm thirty six, I'm

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and it's still drop away until I
can't do it again. It looks I

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hit forty this year. Yeah,
so when I was thirty seven, I

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think was the first show that I
played with done so. Uh. The

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last three years of my life have
been probably the best years as far as

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my musical career though. Of So, what do you boys think about dad

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being a rock star now? So
they don't. My youngest doesn't really understand

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it, even though he's tiny's more
like a six year old with his thoughts

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as m and Dane. Yeah,
he's twelve. He's also autistic, but

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on a different side of the spectrum. He's like six cool, but he's

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more into his video games. But
I was like a streamer my video game.

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He'd be like, oh man,
my dad's god. You know.

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Yeah, It's amazing how things like
that shift througheration. You know, I'm

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just hitting my forties now, and
it's I find myself being like to get

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off my lawn, Yeah, exactly, Like I'm not even forty yet and

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I'm already in that mindset like,
yeah, yeah, that's what that's what

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happens. But we got a little
business we're in, and I think it

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ages you quickly. Oh it does. Yeah, apparently we got a big

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old storm coming through here soon,
said, made a watch it and whatnot

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in New York. I'm like,
really, wow, Yeah, we had

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a couple of the last big batch
of storms, but nothing really materious.

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But yeah, I've been aggressively hot
down the mass right now, like the

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ninety degrees. Oh yeah, it's
miserable hot right now. It's stupid.

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Yeah, yeah, that's gotta be
shitty dealing with being on a tour bus

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when the weather's like that. Oh
you know what, I actually like it.

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Yeah yeah, it's because I mean
the sound of the rain hit the

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bus. How they sleep? Yeah? Yeah, are built like tanks anyway.

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Oh yeah, No, I'm just
saying like, if you're you're like

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financially back and we get a fucking
a win a bago trying to tour.

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No, listen, we've all been
there, you know, exactly, being

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in a van with trivia goddamn,
waking up with fucking Corey's feet in my

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face, spooning with Matt Hathey,
Yeah, I would love to spend five

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minutes with one of those guys.
They've been a huge influence on my playing

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for sure. That's super sweet,
dudes. Yeah, I've known those guys

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for twenty years. Yeah, awesome, awesome people. Yeah, everybody has

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their opinions on them, on anybody, but my experience with them the thirst

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spree. So aside from kicking as
with mud Dane and being a dead and

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selling cars in between time, what
do you like to do for fun?

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Oh? Adorably death, like nap
That's that's one of the biggest hobbies now.

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Uh. I like taking the kids
out to like the drive in stuff

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because they get a letter. They
really enjoy all that stuff. It's hard

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going to like regular movie theaters,
uh sometimes with them because you never know

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what the reactions are gonna be.
Kind of thing. So we found one

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that we like in the in the
drive great. So uh basically I like

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I like being dad. Yeah,
oh yeah, that's that's always been my

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angle. Unfortunately for my wife and
I it's a little bit more complicated on

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the medical side of things. But
uh, you know, I never say

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never, never say no, but
you never know. You could have that

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one swimmer just mind its way.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. It

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doesn't matter how well you wrap shit
up something to do that, right.

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No, And I think it's more
on the on the on the wife,

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Like if the wife feels like it's
time, it's it's gonna be time.

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They're interesting to say about. Yeah, it's gonna happened one way or another

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if that's their mindset. Yeah,
cur whatever they put their minds to,

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it will happen. Yeah. So
when did you first meet Chad? Oh?

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God, uh? I think the
first time I actually met Chad was

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my first day working for Hell YEA
in two thousand and seven on Family Values

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No Ship Okay, that show too, the mass show that one. Yeah.

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The one I met him met I
got dropped off in Albany by my

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buddy uh Feet and Nate Joe.
They dropped me off down there because Tommy

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Maxwell and when I sold Merks for
Nothing Base, he had called me up.

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I had taken my dad out to
see Black putting Molly Hatchett, and

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I got a call from tom saying
he needed a guitar attack and I was

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like, oh, what the hell
guitar attack is? He's like oh dude,

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it's easy. It's natties hard.
But it paid me a thousand dollars

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a week back in two thousand and
seven, so that was more money than

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I had ever made in my life. That was all about trying. Yeah,

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I went, then learned, and
whatever I possibly could got fired,

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got brought back. You know,
thank you, you live. You know.

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Then when our guitar attacked for mud
Vane was when I really learned a

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lot more about the trade itself.
Because my buddy Bruce Pendleton and Scott kid

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Chuck uh that were the the monitor
guy at front of house guy for mud

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Vane. They just put me through
the brinner I was soldering something. Scott

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would come and check it if he
didn't like the look of it, and

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he'd make me unsoldered and soldered again
kind of thing. But it was very

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uh, very much just making sure
that all my ship was always as dialed

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in as it possibly could be.
Yeah. So you in a boot camp

408
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basically basically rock and roll boot camp. Yeah right, yes, sir,

409
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so for bands. Let's say on
you know my level at this point,

410
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been going at it for a few
decades or whatever. What what's your opinion

411
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on ship like pay to play and
stuff like that. I mean, you

412
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got to get a gig. You
gotta get a gig, right, it

413
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is what it is. Pay to
play would the biggest part of that is

414
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knowing what the audience is going to
to bring. Like you're gonna pay to

415
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play with a band that's just half
a level of from you to go out

416
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and do a tour to play the
fourteen people in each venue. But you

417
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know, ten thousand dollars be on
the gig probably not worth it. But

418
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if a band like nine Points going
out and they want, you know,

419
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you spend ten grand to jump on
a leg of their tour, you're probably

420
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gonna play in front of bucking people. So I mean all the times now

421
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as far as like that end of
the business, you know, a lot

422
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of us up up in New England
anyway, you know, we do with

423
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local promoters. I use some myself
as well, you know when I can,

424
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And you know it's tough when you
get a national selling artists coming in

425
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and then all these local bands that
want to play with them. Obviously been

426
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there, done that, But like
there has been some things over the years

427
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where I personally have gotten really fucked
out of money. Big time. Oh

428
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yeah, yeah, I mean,
and that's just the way it goes.

429
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But yeah, I know there's a
lot of people now, especially in my

430
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generation or whatever and below me age
WI. You know, they're coming up

431
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and they're really trying to take a
stand against that. Yeah, especially with

432
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the Spotify stuff too. Like do
you feel like that's a reasonable thing to

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have an argument about or do you
feel like thing is if? Like so,

434
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if a promoter is asking you to
go and and and sell some tickets

435
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to help out, sure, why
not? You know, because your fan

436
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:32.599
base is going to help bring people
into the benk even's gonna make money.

437
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That's going to allow the promoter to
have another show. Yeah kind of thing.

438
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If the promoter has got a band
that is going to sell out immediately

439
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:47.039
no matter what, and wants you
to pay money to be on that gig.

440
00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:53.039
Mm hm, that's a little shady, yeah, because I mean there's

441
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there's different ways to look at different
situations that might come up from that.

442
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But at my venues, So what
I did for my Christmas shows, right

443
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for my Fall of Humanity, my
Syracuse band, what I did last year

444
00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:15.400
was I paid all of my opening
bands for of my opening bands paid them

445
00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:23.000
each five hundred dollars. I gave
them tickets to sell, just to help

446
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:29.480
out with everything, but they all
were guaranteed five hundred bucks. So if

447
00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:36.119
they sold one hundred tickets, awesome, if they sold two tickets perfect,

448
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:38.400
it didn't really matter. Each one
of them got paid in full as soon

449
00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:43.360
as they got to the venue before
they played, and then I ended up

450
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:47.679
making enough money to pay for the
sound. Hey, my band guys pay

451
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:52.840
all the other bands. And then
I didn't really make goddamn fun the thing

452
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:54.880
personally, but you know, I
got to go and have fun, and

453
00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:58.239
my dad got to come out and
see me playing. That was the last

454
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:01.440
show before he fasting, so that
was that. That's definitely worth it then,

455
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:07.800
for sure. Yeah, I've had
some pretty damn good experiences, but

456
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I've had some pretty bad ones too. Yep. We were supposed to play

457
00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:16.519
when I was in the Field of
War back in twenty thirteen. We were

458
00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:22.639
supposed to play with Overkill and Testament
at the Palladium. Oh nice, And

459
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:30.760
we were on fire at that time, like, you know, maxing out

460
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:35.559
a two hundred plus club or local
band. You know that that's pretty good.

461
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And that was a normal Friday night
for us. Yeah, at one

462
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point, so you know, we
had everything moving along. We were told

463
00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:49.440
that, you know, turning whatever
money he made from tickets to night and

464
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:52.960
you know, everybody's at square.
We had a contract and everything. They

465
00:37:53.119 --> 00:38:01.280
decided to try to alter the contract
and pen and basically send muscle to my

466
00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:07.599
doorstep too. Kind up whatever we
sold them because we didn't have money at

467
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:10.679
X amount of day. We got
booted off the bill and they walked away

468
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:15.599
with seven hundred bucks. Oh yeah, that's that's that's pretty shitty. Yeah,

469
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I'm not going to name any names, but yeah, it was a

470
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ship deal, yep. So I
mean, and you know, karma comes

471
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:30.719
back around eventually. But yeah,
that was that was probably the worst kick

472
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:36.480
in the pants I've ever gotten.
Yeah, that fucking pissed me off to

473
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:43.280
the lane. Yeah. The worst
part was that was working across the street

474
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at a bar from the Pladium booking
Global Ship the night that I was supposed

475
00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:54.639
to play that gig at the play
Oh Jesus Christ, that that fucking sucked.

476
00:38:55.480 --> 00:39:01.639
Yeah, that's but I mean that
other than that, like I've even

477
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:07.480
not playing gigs, like I just
I've found such a home in the metal

478
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:10.639
community, even from high school age
that I normally, I don't think I

479
00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:16.679
would have had. You know,
when you're a little bit different and you

480
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:21.920
know you're not quite sure how to
find your police in the life early on,

481
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:25.760
when you got limitations. Music literally
fucking save my life, dude.

482
00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:37.000
Like, and so whenever it storms, my dog gets like paralyzed and starts

483
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:42.400
shaking. You can't move, and
yeah, I'm gonna have to consult him

484
00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:50.760
in just a few minutes, buddy. It's all right, okay, yeah,

485
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:52.440
yeah, he's shake of Josh,
Buddy, I'm gonna have to cut

486
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this little short. No worries,
Bro. Appreciate for the Massachusets show.

487
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:05.039
Yeah, absolutely all right. That
sounds fantastic, man, I really appreciate

488
00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:07.679
you. All right, brother,
Well, hey, thank you for your

489
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:09.679
time. Man. I appreciate you
bringing me on. Hey man, I'll

490
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be in touch. Thanks again.
Sounds good, buddy. Later places