Episode 38 Karen Whisperer & Anita McMillen

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M what's up, guys and gals. Another edition of Bulldog and Censored got

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a very interesting episode today. We've
got Karen Whisperer and Anita McMillan here between

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today, two experts in there psychic
field, medium, et cetera. So

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we're gonna talk all kinds of spiritual
stuff and supernatural and all that kind of

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thing. So it's gonna be a
little bit different than what you guys are

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used to. But Karen, Anita, thank you for joining me, thank

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you, thank you for having me. So I guess we'll start with Anita

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since I get a head start with
her earlier on before we went live here.

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So you know, we all kind
of have different backgrounds and different spiritual

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experiences and that sort of thing.
But you know, obviously you've taken this

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into a profession at this point.
When did you start noticing in life that

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you had any kind of medium slash
Clairborians or anything like that. Yeah,

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well, for me, as far
back as I can remember, I remember

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being a small child talking about the
people in the room with me, and

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my parents would be like, yeah, there's no one else with us,

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but I would see them and I
would talk to them, and for me,

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I tended to see them more at
night, and I think it's because

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it was when I was more quiet, because as a small child, you're

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all over the place. So I
think when my energy would calm down is

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when I could see them more.
So as far back as I can remember,

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right, Well, So, I
mean, do you recount, you

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know, seeing actual aparitions or were
you're hearing things or what was that like?

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For me? It was both.
I actually saw them, like I'm

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looking at you, okay, So
I saw them in the room, and

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I would I would hear people talking
to me, but I didn't know or

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you know, I didn't understand what
was happening. Now, were you frightened

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by that as a kid? Actually, as a child, I was.

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Yeah. I didn't understand it.
I didn't know what to do with it.

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Yeah, so it made me nervous. But I also at the same

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time, I felt like it was
okay. It's kind of it was an

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odd feeling because it was both Actually
I felt like, Okay, what's happening,

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right? No, I'm safe?
Right? Yeah? Did you ever

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encounter anything inferious early on? You
know, in all of my years of

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doing this, And I'm not going
to tell you how many years that is.

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I have never encountered a dark spirit. But I have something that I

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call a contract with the spirit world
where I will work with dark entity.

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So I think that's why, right, right, Karen, how about you?

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I am the exact opposite. So
so, if if I was able

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to do anything as a child,
if I was if there were spirits that

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trying to be seen, I was
unaware. I was literally raised in a

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church. My father was a minister
and also an exorcist, and so UM,

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I was raised to believe that oddly
enough, anything that wasn't what the

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church would have called God, uh
was witchcraft, satanism, those sorts of

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things, And so it gets ingrained
in your head. And so you know,

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I was brought up believing that you
know that that that if anything like

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that, it's it's bad. I
mean, that's as simple as I can

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put it. When I was an
adult, um, And again I won't

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tell you how many years ago,
UM, but I started um believe it

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or not connecting with lost animals,
and I was finding lost animals. It

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just happened like all of a sudden. My brother had just passed away,

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and it was within like a week
of him passing, and I started seeing

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these lost animals. I'd see the
ad for a lost animal that i'd see

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where it was, the family would
find it, and from there, from

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the animal communication, it quickly evolved
into mediumship. I started seeing. Um

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often i'd be working with a missing
animal or even doing an animal session and

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a human connected like in this.
In this situation, Um, you know,

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it was the woman's nephew, and
so her dog was showing me the

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nephew and how he had passed on
that and from that day forward, Um,

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it was all systems go on on
the mediumship. Once that door opened,

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it never closed together. Right.
Well, that that's a that's a

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pretty interesting way to start things out
for sure. Um. As you said,

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you were brought up in a church, I was baptized Catholic myself.

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Um, you know, I went
through a whole bunch of different changes in

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that realm over the years, and
my spirituality is kind of gone in a

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thousand different directions, and kind of
I find myself at you know, my

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mid thirties at this point, trying
to especially with everything going along in the

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world right now, trying to find
a little bit more stability in that and

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you know, I've always been kind
of in search of knowledge and truth and

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you know, stuff beyond what most
people have access to, just a little

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bit more certainty of you know,
what's what am I really getting into on

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the other end of it, you
know, I want to make the most

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out of this life. But you
know, obviously the next realm does concern

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me to a point, um trying
to think where I was going with that,

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but uh yeah, So spiritually,
I've been all over the place.

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I've dabbled in as the True which
is Norse mythology. I've got some lineage

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connection to that thousands fi years back
in one hundred even so I really connected

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with that. But you know,
I've just been trying to really find myself

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in that predicamentum. So, and
you know, what were your firitual background

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alike before you get into this.
Well, I was brought up also Catholic,

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but I had my parents and as
well as my grandparents were Catholic but

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also very spiritual. My mom's parents
were healers as well as Catholics, So

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for me it kind of all fell
underneath the same umbrella. So unlike Karen,

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I had the religious background that I
felt comfortable with. But it wasn't

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the all fearing God right to us
because that's what my parents taught us.

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It was all you know, spirituality
is a little bit of everything, and

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so for me I kind of flowed
into all of that and still do.

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Yeah. I mean, I'm sure
there's there's many facets to a day go

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and continue to grow over time and
that ability and whatnot. Yeah. Um,

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with both said spiritual backgrounds, you
know, a digit having these abilities

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clarifying thing for you as far as
like you know what you feel like either

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the other side or God, or
like, do you have like a really

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clear vision um internally as to like
what that is personally? Do you want

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to answer that, Karen or sure? So? Um? So what the

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clear vision is? So? So, I would say it is for myself

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and I only speak for myself for
myself, it is um higher power.

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UM. It's it's a it's a
knowing. It's um. It's UM an

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essence that we can connect with when
UM, we are looking for clarity,

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when we're looking for answers, when
we're looking for guidance, when we're looking

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for help. UM, it's all
knowing and all being. UM. I

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don't love labels, and so I
let it be what it is for me

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and and then honor what it is
for other people in their own in their

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own ways, you know. Um. Often and and I need to touch

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on this a little bit, but
often, um. You know, people

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think or believe that there has to
be a division between Church, God and

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what we do. And I don't
believe that. I I I believe that

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there's room for all of it,
um. And so for me, I

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just have that inner I'd almost call
it like a piece right, um and

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quote the Bible like a piece that
passes understanding, like inexplainable um. And

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um. Yeah, something that you
can connect with when you need help or

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guidance. That definitely makes a lot
of cent for sure. Anita, how

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about you, you know, to
add on to what Karen said, I

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would say, there's a phrase that
we use. It's called holding space.

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And all that basically means is holding
space for everyone that we know how we're

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all connected. And I feel like
our creator or the universe or God or

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Spirit holds space for all of us
and we're all in that space. And

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so I do I do believe that
there are a multitude of supreme beings and

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it kind of can be where your
soul originated from. So if your soul

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originated from Earth, then your supreme
being might be spirit or God or whoever.

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If your soul originated from a different
star system, it may be something

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totally different, right, So,
I mean, there's a lot of different

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avenues you can kind of really reach
into to think about that. So,

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based on both of your experiences,
it's not really a one size fits all

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approach, absolutely not. I've got
a very devout close friend of money.

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He's strongly Catholic, and I mentioned, you know, the conversation that I

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had with my mother after her you
guys had got a chance to meet her

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at the show. You know,
I said, you know, I'm really

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wanting to explore this all stuff and
you know, kind of re discover what

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it is my spiritual being is and
you know where I stand and all that.

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And one of the first things he
said to me is, you've got

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to be cautious of that because a
lot of times it's a Catholic belief that

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demons are actually interfering and spreading essentially
misinformation, using you know, certain things

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that they know through people like you. What do you say to that,

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for me. I would like to
think that if the father's son was Jesus

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and he was a healer, which
is what Karen and I are, we

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allow healing and all the melecalities that
we touch upon, and how cannot be

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demonic? How can you healing anybody
in any way not be of love and

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joy and a blessing. And I
believe that it's a gift that we were

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given to help heal the world,
which is part of what we do.

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Agree. That's always kind of been
my overall hope for the reality of things.

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Anyhow, Karen about you, I
mean, obviously I'm going to agree

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with what Anita says because she's a
wise woman. But but I would I

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would also say that, you know, I can pull up my church background

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when we talk about this, and
I can talk about you know, I

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could quote scripture. I can't tell
you where it's from, but like quote

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scripture and and and and there were
prophets and prophecies in the Bible. Um

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there was also mediums. I mean, was Jesus a medium like that?

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Depends on what you believe about the
Bible and its interpretation and so and I

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won't go on this whole tangent.
But you know, the Bible was written

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and interpreted right, and so what
we do is we have this knowledge,

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this knowing, and we interpret it
to make sense to the humans sitting in

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front of us or on the phone
or on the zoom. I don't believe

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because what our work is based on
love and light, you know, without

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being cliche, it's based on love
from the heart center and the light.

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And I don't believe, and I
too have a contractor. I don't believe

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that we could summon a demon name
and if we wanted to, I just

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I don't believe that. I don't
believe that we have that connection to the

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lower energy, to the lower world. What we do is so high vibe

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we'd really have to, like I
say, dumb it down a bit to

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even get in that at realm.
It's just, but I also want to

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honor what people believe about that um, because people do have very firm beliefs

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that we can conjure up demons or
you know, we are witches, or

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or we are of satan um.
My dad included like if he was alive

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right now, like he and I
would be having this conversation, you know,

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and so so I was brought up
that that, like I said,

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like he would think that I was
possessed with a demon, and so you

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know, I just think I think
there's only room for light energy and for

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light beings and what we do.
Um and and to me, I don't

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even talk about lower energies or demons
or anything because as far as I'm concerned,

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they don't get my energy and they
don't exist to me. Right,

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So you haven't any kind of experience
what's that at all? Absolutely not,

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except like I said, when I'm
a child, my father was doing exorcisms

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in my house. So yeah,
that would be my experience. You know,

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I've I've seen that type of thing
happened, but no, I have

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no experience with it. Now as
far as your experiences with your father as

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a child and whatnotum, any do
you feel comfortable elaborating with any of those?

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I mean about as far as you
know I wrote about, Like,

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that's about as far as I'll go
with that. But um, you know,

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because it's it's people's privacy. I
mean, we're talking to sixties now,

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just stated myself. But like we're
talking to sixties, right, We're

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talking to LSD and we're talking you
know all these these mushrooms, like all

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the things that people were doing to
get their mind into an altered state.

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And from what he taught me,
it was that, um, the use

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of things to get him into an
altered state that allowed a demon to enter.

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And um, he actually did.
I mean we all saw the movie

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The Exorcist, I believe, and
that's what he did. He exercised.

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And he was not a Catholic priest. Um, he was non denominational,

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but um, yeah, he would
do these exorcisms if it was just a

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person who he considered possessed, and
that came with an eye roll. Um,

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the person who he would consider possessed
that would happen in my living room,

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that you know, that would happen
in his office in our house like

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and so we it was nothing.
It was It was absolutely nothing for us

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to say, well, my father's
an exorcise, Like isn't everybody's father an

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exorcist? Like it was nothing,
um, And so it didn't really hold

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any weight until I get older,
and I was like, yeah, what

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was that all about? Doing exorcisms
in our house while we were sleeping?

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Like and and and then as I
as I really followed my path in the

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spiritual world and doing this work and
this healing work, I really start to

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question all of it, you know, the dark and the light right absolutely,

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the whole duality of you know,
Catholic dogma and just you know,

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for the most part, Abrahamic religion
has always fascinated me. And then,

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like I said, I deviled into
you know, some of my North background

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as well and found a lot more
peace than that I think, you know,

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because there wasn't so many streams one
way or the other. So yeah,

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it's like you're trying to figure out
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and you know, I feel like
I've got some intuition I'd probably nowhere

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near to what you both have capability
was, but what would either did you

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recommend for someone like me? It
is trying to search that out and and

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kind of tapped like, you know, how do how do I sharpen those

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knives? So to speak. I
guarantee you we're both going to say the

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same thing. Meditation, okay,
right, Karen, Yeah, yea.

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The easiest way to really open up
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It's a quiet time to tap into
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work right right, Yeah, that
makes eleven sense for sure. Um,

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so neither getting back here for a
minute here. Um, you know you

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started out, like you said,
having different experiences early on, and you

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know, spiritual background and that sort
of thing. Um, when did you

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kind of I feel compelled like,
okay, well I've could use these gifts

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and really pulled myself out there.
Yeah, and I'll help people. I'm

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a Capricorn, so I do things
slow and steady, and it takes me

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a while to get very comfortable and
confident in things. So I did not

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really start to really tap into this
till I was forty okay, so and

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then I think I once I did. It's kind of like everything else.

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When you first attempt to go into
something, you just dive into the pool

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head first, and you like feel
in every direction and you're trying to do

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everything all at once, and then
you slow down a bit and then it

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picks back up. Yeah. So
that's for me about my forties. Gotta

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yeah, and Karen, about you. You know, our higher power,

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the universe, God, spirit,
a slice of cheese, whatever it is

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for you, Our higher power um
comes knocking when it's time to make a

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transition and and for me, I
became aware of the animal piece of what

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I do while I was still working, um in a in a business.

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And don't you know, shortly after
it all came to light and like people

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love their pats right, and again
that's where I started. So people needed

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what I was offering, encountering,
providing, and so it became like a

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job immediately. Um, but but
I was still working full time with months

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i'd say, the owner of the
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and I was out of work,
and you know, you do the I'd

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never been out of work before,
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what am I gonna do? Unemployment
is gonna run out? What am I

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gonna do? I get a mortgage
to pay? Like, what am I

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gonna do? And and she was
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you do what you know how to
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mean people would actually pay me to
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that self doubt started in and she's
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And I will never forget that,
And don't you know, I fed that

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same song and dance back to her
when she became a realtor. But like

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it was, it was at that
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you're just gonna dive in and you'll
figure it out. You know. We

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we were born this way, right, And Nita was born this way and

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realized it early. I was born
this way and realized it later on when

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it was time for me to use
it. Um. And and then you

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do, You just close your eyes
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I'm sure Nita does too, in like

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a mentorship program whatever. I always
tell people like spirits got our back,

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Like we're not spirits, not going
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we were are doing what we came
here to do. And so feel your

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way around, you know, and
and whatever resonates with you, do that,

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um, whatever you feel you're supposed
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But there's a lot of trust involved. Now, this is something that's

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probably in my head on a topic
of like karma and sin and that kind

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of thing. What have your experience
has been as far as like getting clarity

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on that, Like does spirit or
sourcer or whatever, how do you focus

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on that as much as the dogma
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of a common sense karma type of
thing. And Edith, well, I

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feel that karma is like going to
school, right, So we choose when

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we get to a certain point in
our lives to educate ourselves in something we're

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drawn to. When our soul was
first created, we sit down with our

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team of spiritual people before we incarnate, and we decide, Okay, I'm

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coming in on a lifetime. What
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I want to learn about love?
Do I want to learn about a health

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issue? Do I want to learn
what it is to be dependent? Or

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do I want to learn what it's
like to be a famous musician. So

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we choose those paths, and then
we come in and we learn them,

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and they can be a multitude of
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we may come in and have had some

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karmit pieces karma as good as well
as bad, and then the next incarnation

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we may have come in to learn
what it's like not to have love and

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maybe just to be a workaholic.
That's what I believe karma is. I

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don't feel like it's a it's a
punishment or a payback, it's like an

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education. Yeah, I've heard some
schools of thought that you know, I've

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heard different people talk about, Okay, you a little flashback of your life

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and then you can either choose to
go into the universe or head into the

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white light and be reincarnated or what
have you. Several different options to be

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taken and that sort of thing.
Is that kind of what you've both kind

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of observed or fell Yes, I
would say, I mean I'm speaking for

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myself but probably speaking for both of
us um in that Yes, it is

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um it is a karma is it's
a process right, and it, like

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Anita said, not good or bad, but it is a um yeah,

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it's a process. That's the best
way I can say it. Like,

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it's a process and a procedure,
right, and so um it can it

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can elevate you or bring you up, or it can bring bring it bring

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it down. And so um we
offer and I believe Anita does this is

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you know, we both do past
life regressions and past life studies with with

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some of our clients, and we
can get our knowledge about it from there.

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Right, So we watched their past
lives and how they integrate with their

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current life. And for myself anyway, like working with somebody on their own

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past lives really teaches me. Um, you know, the transition and what

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we choose to bring in this time, what we brought in from last time,

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and what we sure as heck don't
want to do next time. Right

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the definite sounds like that all ends
up to me for sure. So beyond

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the carman of things, I mean
kind of thinking, Yeah, there's so

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many different ways that I can approach
this. And you guys have both been

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doing this for quite a while,
and I'm sure every experience in claim is

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vastly different. Do you have any
particular cases that have stuck with you or

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have made a dramatic impact on their
overall view of what it is that you

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do, or you know something that
really sticks out in your mind that you've

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went through with another person trying to
help them out. Nita about you,

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Yeah, boy, I'm thinking in
almost every reading, I think we could

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say touches us in different ways.
When I do healing sessions, I get

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a lot of people come to me
who cannot conceive, and I work on

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healing sessions and I have to say
I have never yet I'm going would have

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someone that hasn't within a year to
two years head conception. So that to

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me, that sticks out in my
mind. I had a mediumship reading.

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I have a family that I've read
for. There's five of them in the

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family. One of their sons chose
to take his own life, and this

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was about twenty years ago, and
after that moment, they never talked about

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it. They never actually sat down
and talked about it. So then as

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each of them came to me for
a reading, the young brother, the

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son, kept saying he wanted his
family to sit down and talk about it,

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and his birthday was coming up,
so they actually made all of his

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favorite dishes. They sat down and
talked about his life, and they after

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twenty years, talked about his passing
and how that affected them all. That

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to me was a big one.
That to me was a big one.

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I think it just brought the closer
together and got closure for all of them,

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and through through the spirit as me
as the conduit, helped them to

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heal. Not beautiful, That's fantastic, Karen, I think for me,

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Um, I think you know,
we we often have common themes. You

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know, and I think for me, you know, my memory doesn't go

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back too far, so so I'll
go to recently and it would be relationships,

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not necessarily marriage. It could be
mother child, you know. Uh,

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it could be you know, mom, grandparents, you know, anything

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like that. And I see a
lot of people coming in that are our

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kind of their own block, you
know. I tell people you're in your

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own worst nightmare, like they're kind
of their own block and it and it's

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they don't know why, like why
do I say that to him? Or

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why do I say that to her? Why do I reject this? Why

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do I this? Why do I
this? You know? And maybe they've

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been through traditional marriage counseling, but
there's something there that needs to be removed,

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and you could take that back to
Karmack, right, you could take

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that back to Karma and say,
well, is this what you guys planned

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on when you came here? Like
is this what we were going to do

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a lot of times? And so
I don't have a specific one. I'm

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sure I could think about it if
I thought hard, But for me,

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my memory is horrible. But but
it's it's that theme of a relationship that

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gets repaired because they didn't know why
the heck they were behaving a certain way,

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and you know, and they've come
separately. But again, like to

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be specific, there was one,
two, three sisters and a mom.

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They all came separately, you know, and and we we do have a

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content. You know, we do
have to be confidential, and so you

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don't say to the other one what
the other one said. And so you

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know, they're each bringing me the
same story about the same issue. And

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you know, it had to do
with the the dad husband passing, and

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nobody knew what the heck he wanted, and everybody was disagreeing on it.

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And it was just a matter of
realizing that there's enough for everybody and we

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can just heal this like grabby grabby
feeling that we're feeling um and and it

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really took, you know, at
that point. Sometimes I feel like we're

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mediators, you know, but that's
what it really took for someone such as

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myself who's intuitive, who can literally
put my eyes on the problem and and

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walk them through it and be like, wouldn't it be okay? If,

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wouldn't it be okay? If?
And um, you know, watching these

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relationships, marriages, even friendships be
healed because we're giving them the awareness that

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we can see intuitively that it is
going to be okay, and even letting

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them come up with the idea of
themselves, you know, even though we

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know intuitively, we're kind of saying, you know, wouldn't it be okay?

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And the and suddenly they go,
yeah, that would Oh, I

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see, okay, okay. You
know. So I think there's a little

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bit of like, you know,
I call myself a spiritual advisor now because

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I think there's a little bit of
like counselor life coach in almost every session,

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you know, And so the healing
does come, it does come.

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It comes because that's why we're doing
it. It's a love based experience what

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we do. And you know it
can't help but heal. No, that

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makes perfect sense for sure. That's
fascinating stuff. So you both have had

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pretty you know, different but similar
routes to getting where you are today.

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You know, you started out individually. How did you two end up kind

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of working in conjunction with each other. I'll start sure, I met Anita

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at I believe it was a psychic
fair. Of course, her memory is

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like sheep can fill in the blanks
because my memory is just like in the

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past year, I don't have one. So, um, we met at

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a psychic fair, is that correct? I'm looking to her her parole And

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um, I think were you doing
cards at the time, Anita I was

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doing. I was doing psychic or
mediumship readings that day that day, and

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so I was there probably doing the
same. And I believe you came and

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sat down at my table, right, Is that how it happened? And

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I was like, are you kidding
me? Like why aren't you doing this

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full time? And it was like
the first time we met, um and

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you know, and and and he
just spoke to like beginning, you know,

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to actually meet with people and things
like that, and so I kind

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of just felt like like sisters from
another mister, Like we were so similar

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it was almost uncanning. If you
look at a picture of our lastity then

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together we literally look like sisters,
were wearing almost the exact same color,

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like, And it's been that way
no matter if I don't see her for

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a year or not, you know. And but I I I would keep

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getting apt to her and I'm like, are you ready to do this full

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time? Are you ready to do
this full time? And UM, I

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remember it was your first gallery,
right, your first gallery was in my

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house with me, and so I
was getting ready to move out of Loudon

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and I had planned a mediumship gallery, which is a gathering of several people

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where we connect and, um,
you know, provide messages for those sitting

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in front of us from their loved
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was like, it looks like there's
going to be a lot of people coming,

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like do you want to do this
with me? And like she said,

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she jumped in both feet and it
was like we had a stick and

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we just started doing galleries together.
Yeah. I mean, and from what

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I gathered, and I haven't been
to a show yet, but the whole

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reading atter beat a fair here,
but that must have been has to have

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that clink like so instantaneously and then
just kind of skyrocket from there. That's

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that's awesome. Well, and the
other thing is Anita and I read completely

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differently, which is so awesome when
we're working together because I connect with a

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certain I don't know type or feeling
and she connects with another certain type and

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like it we balance each other out. Um. I used to teaser all

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the time and be like, well, you know, Anita can come come

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through and tell somebody how many freckles
the person had on their face, right,

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and then I'm over here going,
you know, and they did this

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for work, and this work.
Like we completely balanced each other out.

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She sees some things, I see
some things. We you know, um,

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and we work well in tandem.
No, it seems like you guys

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are really the dynamic duo of a
sort. Sure. Absolutely, it's been

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a fun ride, for sure.
No, absolutely, it certainly sounds it.

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I mean, it's my understanding that
you you both do galleries, like

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you said, and then occasionally more
one on one or private sessions and that

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kind of thing. Do you do
either of you feel like there's any kind

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of massive difference in overall vibe or
experience with those two separate types of events,

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or are they all kind of pretty
much the same? I think galleries

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the difference between a gallery and a
private setting is a gallery is what I

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call a little snippet of a reading. Okay, the average gallery reading is

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six minutes. We bring in as
much as we can find out who the

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sitters or the recipient, We deliver
a message, then we go into the

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next It's very fast and few areas
where one on one session is one person

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sometimes two in front of us and
they get the full fifty minutes to an

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hour reading or two hours depending what
they set up. And it's more an

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in depth reading. So we could
bring through one spirit that takes the whole

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fifty minutes and it's just you know, more of an emotional feel, more

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of a connection rather than I have
a mother in spirit and I know she

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has curly dark hair and you know, wears glasses and always have the apron

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type of thing. We can get
more into detail about the emotional connection.

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So I think that's the difference there. And one minute I'll like the galleries

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better and then the next minute I
like the one on one, So it

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fluctuates. I love to do galleries
with Karen. I have another girl I

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do some galleries with. It's just
it's fun. That part of it is

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fun because we can bring a lot
of laughter into it, right, and

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it's it's fun. Karen, would
you say that pretty much checks out for

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you as well? I would say, yeah, that that that explains it

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and inful yeah, no. Before
we wrap up here, UM, walk

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me through like what the average gallery
kind of like starts out as like,

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do you feel like an inner magnetism
to certain people? UM? Are you

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hearing voices right away? Like?
What what sets that off for you?

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UM? I would say typically a
gallery for me, UM sometimes starts earlier

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in the day. Sometimes somebody is
so anxious UM before that they want to

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connect. They want to be sure
to connect, because who might have twenty

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people in the room, you know, the spirit's like, I want to

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make sure you talk to my person. They actually connect on the way they

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connect earlier in the day, and
so we might walk into a room already

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having a spirit with us. So
typically it's it's for myself. The magnetism

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is not to the person in the
room. It's it's to the spirit and

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whoever they want to connect to.
Right. So I always tell people I

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believe them over you. Yeah,
I know. What they're showing me is

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like I want to you know,
I want to I'm the dad, I

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want to speak to my daughter.
And oftentimes you will sit there, especially

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the first one spirit when they come
through, and oftentimes you'll sit there and

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everybody be looking at each other and
looking around. You know, a lot

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of times people come in fearful and
and maybe don't want to take the first

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00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:55.880
spirit. And I always joke to
kind of lighten the mood because I tell

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people like, Okay, somebody's got
like the spirit's been with me all day,

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somebody has to take the spirit or
I'm going to send him to the

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lost land of lost loved ones,
and all of a sudden, everybody lightens

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up. Or the other thing that
can happen at the beginning or even part

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way through, is that I'll be
like, Okay, well, I'm gonna

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have him sit aside, and you
know, Anita will go whatever, and

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Anita will finish with the spirit she's
with, and all of a sudden,

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somebody remembers that there really was their
dad's name. You know, people get

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what we call, or I call
a psychic amnesia. They get into these

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galleries and they're so nervous and so
excited, so emotional that they literally can't

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can't remember anything. I had a
woman once who who I gave her initials.

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Let's just for instance, say it
was, Oh, he's showing me

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a J. He wasn't giving me
names, but he was showing me a

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J, and then an L and
a BEE. And she's like, I

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don't I got nothing. And then
I connect, So I connected more with

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the spirit. I'm like, you
gotta show me something else. She doesn't,

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she can't get it from that,
and he goes, UM, tell

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her she's my mother. Sure enough. I was giving her her four year

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old son who had passed away tragically. Those were his initials. But she

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just she was so nervous. She
couldn't she just couldn't compute. And so

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um, we typically like to open
kind of lightheartedly, both of us in

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00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:30.760
using humor, because we need our
people in front of us to relax,

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because their spirits already there saying we
gotta connect, we gotta connect, we

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gotta connect, you know. And
so I tend to get um drawn to

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the spirit who's trying to connect,
and then it gets delivered to the human

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and the audience. Does that make
sense? Yeah, for sure. I

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mean you kind of visualize like a
conference room of the spirits above everybody else

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kind of thing. Yeah, that's
kind of what came into my mind when

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you were saying that. For sure, they're out shouting and waving like pick

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me, gotcha, for sure,
And that sounds pretty much the same for

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00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:15.119
you. It is pretty much the
same. Although you know, sometimes I

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think of sometimes I'll start out.
Lately it's been a little different. I'll

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start out with a song and I'll
be like, what the I don't know

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whether I have a male or female
spirit, but I come out with a

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00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:30.039
song and the recipient will or the
person will be like, I know exactly

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00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:34.239
who that is. Yeah, it's
you know, you are my sunshine.

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My father saying that to me every
day of my life because I was his

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sunshine. So that just rolled right
in. Another time, Karen and I

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were doing a gallery. She's like, all right, right out of the

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00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:47.000
gate, I've got a Hines catchup
bottle in front of me. Do you

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00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:50.719
remember that, Karen, And all
of a sudden, the girl in the

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back raises her hand. I think
her maiden name was Hines. Hines.

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Yeah, it can be. You
see them clearly in front of you,

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and you can describe item. You
may get a song, you may get

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a symbol of bottle. You never
know how it's going to roll out because

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a lot of what we do our
metaphors or symbolic, and we have to

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00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:15.320
interpret that means. So it can
be so many different things. And that's

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the fun right right now. When
you have those kind of images pop up.

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Are you kind of like taking out
of the present moment in your mind

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or is everything kind of going on
in conjunction? The way I would describe

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that for me, when you first
wake up and you've had a dream and

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00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:45.639
you still remember the dream, it's
like that moment your brain is in that

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00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:51.039
kind of alpha state. Yeah,
so we're there, but we're here at

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the same time. Is that how
you describe a Karen, Yeah, I

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mean I think that's a perfect the
last thing you just said, we're there,

519
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but we're here at the same time. In other words, if if

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you know, we're in a building
and it catches fire and we're connecting with

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spirit, we're definitely going to know
the buildings on fire. Um, but

522
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:10.480
we're also going to be able to
connect with the spirit. Um. For

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00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:15.920
myself, I can, I can
connect with spirit and sometimes I don't even

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00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:20.639
like I'll just deliver, deliver,
deliver, and the person's like either validating

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00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:25.599
or like adding to the person sitting
in front of me, and um,

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and I'm like, what did you
even just say? Because Spirit was so

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00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:34.639
busy talking to me. You know, we also refer to it as you

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00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:37.559
know, a three way conversation,
So so we can talk to them and

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00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:42.400
talk to them the sitter at this
at the same time. It can happen

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00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:50.199
together. Um it I tell people
like, scientifically it makes no sense,

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but that's how it happens, and
I can't explain it. Yeah, somehow

532
00:46:54.559 --> 00:47:00.880
that there's a separation of channel that
can work simultane Viously, I got you

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00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:25.320
Anita, obviously you're pounding the pavement
and doing plenty of galleries and that kind

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00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:30.360
of thing coming up. Where can
folks best to find you and connect?

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00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:37.960
UM? For me, you could
reach out to me at Anita McMillan Psychic

539
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:42.159
medium dot com. It's a lot
to type in, but that's my my

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00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:49.000
email or my web page. UM. For myself it would be via email.

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00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:52.800
UM. I took my website down
UM when my daughter became ill about

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00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:55.960
a year ago. UM. I
haven't put it back up because I'm slowly

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00:47:57.320 --> 00:48:02.320
UM tiptoeing back into my work.
So you can find me at Karen Whisperer.

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00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:08.440
So remember two erst gmail dot com
and that's my email address, best

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00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:13.760
way to contact me, beautiful.
Well, I really appreciate both of you

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00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:16.840
guys coming on, and you know
we've all had kind of crazy busy schedules

547
00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:22.039
and whatnot. But I will be
sure to pass on links and we'll spread

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00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:27.559
this around and send your message to
as many people as possible. Well,

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00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:31.559
thank you, and I will continue
our conversation as soon as we can wrap

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up. Okay again next week,
folks, have a good weekend. Be safe,